Copenhagen shooting during debate on Islam

[Greed and Death]

Are you trying to blame me for the Russian invasion of Crimea because I made a joke in the Euromaiden protest thread saying it would happen ?

yes basically. good job.

but seriously what i mean is that if

1) you make things up about another attack (why would you do that that's seriously not funny)
2) you were telling the truth but people can't tell if you made it up or not because you have a record of making things up in this exact scenario

you probably have a problem.

I beg to differ it is now when people need humor the most when the bounds that bind us together are strained when we are most prone to divide into us vs them. That is when we need to laugh the most.

[Cetacea]

Okay so have they actually confirmed that "Arabic looking" is actually Arabic or is it just that anyone with brownish skin is a terrorist?

[The Alexanderians]

Islamic terrorism? I'd be surprised if that were the case.

http://i1.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-c ... =502%2C502

islamic terrorism not being included in the above graph because lol a bunch of angry muslims don't have shit on irish/basque splinters like holy shit you don't even realize

that said i'd probably need to do some more specific digging through data to get an answer to what you said specifically

e: http://i0.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-c ... =550%2C261 - just for an example

I knew the basque were kicking it up but I thought the irish had calmed down?

[The Alma Mater]

Islamic terrorism? I'd be surprised if that were the case.

http://i1.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-c ... =502%2C502

islamic terrorism not being included in the above graph because lol a bunch of angry muslims don't have shit on irish/basque splinters like holy shit you don't even realize

that said i'd probably need to do some more specific digging through data to get an answer to what you said specifically

e: http://i0.wp.com/www.loonwatch.com/wp-c ... =550%2C261 - just for an example

You realise this is data from 7 years ago ?
Islamic terrorism has sadly picked up somewhat since then. Though agreed, in *Europe* it is still not impressive.
In the middle east otoh...

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

Islamophobia.

[West Aurelia]

Islamophobia.

Explain.

[-United Islamic Emirate-]

Islamophobia.

Explain.

They want to silence the mission of Da'wah. To prevent more converts most likely a European Neo-Conservative like the one in Norway.

[West Aurelia]

Explain.

They want to silence the mission of Da'wah. To prevent more converts most likely a European Neo-Conservative like the one in Norway.

According to Wikipedia, "Da'wah" refers to the "proselytizing or preaching of Islam." Who is preventing this from happening?

[Costa Fierro]

They want to silence the mission of Da'wah. To prevent more converts most likely a European Neo-Conservative like the one in Norway.

According to Wikipedia, "Da'wah" refers to the "proselytizing or preaching of Islam." Who is preventing this from happening?

Islamophobes. Duh.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Explain.

They want to silence the mission of Da'wah. To prevent more converts most likely a European Neo-Conservative like the one in Norway.

If this man was a Muslim, the only one silencing his Da'wah is him. God does not permit violence, and neither do the people. If he was worried for Da'wah, or the Ummah, or for the blessings of God, he would have expressed himself in words and not in bullets.

[The Alma Mater]

They want to silence the mission of Da'wah. To prevent more converts most likely a European Neo-Conservative like the one in Norway.

According to Wikipedia, "Da'wah" refers to the "proselytizing or preaching of Islam." Who is preventing this from happening?

Mostly Muslims. They really, REALLY suck at PR.

[The Alma Mater]

Okay so have they actually confirmed that "Arabic looking" is actually Arabic or is it just that anyone with brownish skin is a terrorist?

Nope. They just confirmed that the police killed him, and that they suspect he was responsible for both attacks.

[American California]

I'm a Roman Catholic and I have Muslim friend who's parents came from the Middle East specifically Saudi Arabia and we get along great. In my opinion it's the fundamentalists who are the problem.

Yes, Fundamentalists are the problem. Fundamentalists of ALL faiths are a problem.

I think faith in general is the problem. Moderates of religion have a history of not necessarily condemning their own fundamentalists.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Yes, Fundamentalists are the problem. Fundamentalists of ALL faiths are a problem.

I think faith in general is the problem. Moderates of religion have a history of not necessarily condemning their own fundamentalists.

Or they do, and then everyone ignores them in favor of pretending that "ALL ADHERENTS ARE SHIT" and so they end up saying "look we already said we disown those fuckers, we aren't saying it again" and then everyone ignores them in favor of "MODERATE ADHERENTS DON'T CONDEMN thE FUNDIES."

[American California]

Currently. All religions are open to violent interpretation.

Not just religion, almost everything can have a violent interpretation.

Which is why we are currently plagued with Anarcho-Capitalist terrorism.

Oh wait...

It seems that a certain few obvious groups are responsible for this violence. Why are people so afraid to point out that something is inherently wrong with a belief system when its adherents shoot up free speech conferences?

[Costa Fierro]

According to Wikipedia, "Da'wah" refers to the "proselytizing or preaching of Islam." Who is preventing this from happening?

Mostly Muslims. They really, REALLY suck at PR.

"Convert or die" does tend to scare people.

[American California]

I think faith in general is the problem. Moderates of religion have a history of not necessarily condemning their own fundamentalists.

Or they do, and then everyone ignores them in favor of pretending that "ALL ADHERENTS ARE SHIT" and so they end up saying "look we already said we disown those fuckers, we aren't saying it again" and then everyone ignores them in favor of "MODERATE ADHERENTS DON'T CONDEMN thE FUNDIES."

Achieving fundamental reform in your religion takes a lot more than "we condemn the attacks and not all of us are like that, they aren't true followers". It takes an actual, cohesive effort.


Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Protestant Reformation.

[American California]

Mostly Muslims. They really, REALLY suck at PR.

"Convert or die" does tend to scare people.

And "Join or Die" won us the Ohio Country.

[Master Shake]

There will continue to be ethno-religious tensions until we deal with ghettoization and the segregation of our society.
The rationale differs but this is comparable to frequent race riots.

Yeah sure...The Europeans are putting the muslims into ghettos just like the Israelis...

I highly doubt that especially when you are in Paris and see that most of the muslims have big money and fast cars...

I hope they lock down the nation and find these terrorist sons of bitches like we did after the Boston bombing!

[Sun Wukong]

Mostly Muslims. They really, REALLY suck at PR.

"Convert or die" does tend to scare people.

It's why metric never caught on in the US.

[American California]

There will continue to be ethno-religious tensions until we deal with ghettoization and the segregation of our society.
The rationale differs but this is comparable to frequent race riots.

Yeah sure...The Europeans are putting the muslims into ghettos just like the Israelis...

I highly doubt that especially when you are in Paris and see that most of the muslims have big money and fast cars...

I hope they lock down the nation and find these terrorist sons of bitches like we did after the Boston bombing!

Bad example. The police crackdown after the Boston Bombing focused on just harassing a bunch of innocent, non-Muslim Americans who had nothing to do with the attacks. The whole manhunt for Tsarnaev turned into a needlessly bloody wild-goose chase.

[Sun Wukong]

Or they do, and then everyone ignores them in favor of pretending that "ALL ADHERENTS ARE SHIT" and so they end up saying "look we already said we disown those fuckers, we aren't saying it again" and then everyone ignores them in favor of "MODERATE ADHERENTS DON'T CONDEMN thE FUNDIES."

Achieving fundamental reform in your religion takes a lot more than "we condemn the attacks and not all of us are like that, they aren't true followers". It takes an actual, cohesive effort.


Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Protest Reformation.

Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Enlightenment. The Protestant Reformation was most notable for sparking a hundred+ years of Christians killing each other in massive numbers. Seems unlikely that would help the current situation.

[Master Shake]

Yeah sure...The Europeans are putting the muslims into ghettos just like the Israelis...

I highly doubt that especially when you are in Paris and see that most of the muslims have big money and fast cars...

I hope they lock down the nation and find these terrorist sons of bitches like we did after the Boston bombing!

Bad example. The police crackdown after the Boston Bombing focused on just harassing a bunch of innocent, non-Muslim Americans who had nothing to do with the attacks. The whole manhunt for Tsarnaev turned into a needlessly bloody wild-goose chase.

Fair enough, but there needs to be check point on all major roadways and mandatory searches of all people trying to leave the city. If you are innocent then you have nothing to hide!

[Costa Fierro]

Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Protest Reformation.

Because the Reformation solved the issues with Christianity and indeed, the Church as a whole. For the most part, the Catholic Church only grew in size and influence, with corruption and abuse only coming to the surface in recent decades.

Sure, the Protestants don't have as many issues as they once did, but partially sectarian conflicts like the one that tore apart Northern Ireland are evidence that even reform to a more purist form of Christianity that isn't as inherently prone to severe abuses of power cannot make religion inherently peaceful.

Islam has already seen a split between the Sunnis and Shia. Sectarian violence between the two has already cost thousands of innocent people their lives. What needs to happen is for people to ask themselves why extremism is so desirable, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

[American California]

Achieving fundamental reform in your religion takes a lot more than "we condemn the attacks and not all of us are like that, they aren't true followers". It takes an actual, cohesive effort.


Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Protest Reformation.

Islam is in dire need of something akin to the Enlightenment. The Protestant Reformation was most notable for sparking a hundred+ years of Christians killing each other in massive numbers. Seems unlikely that would help the current situation.

Sorry, I didn't see the typo.

Obviously, it could do without the religious wars, but the Protest Reformation is important because it was the first major mass questioning of Catholic doctrine and theology, and inspired (for better or worse), a lot of reform. Islam needs this.

Maybe after this, then an Enlightenment will come.