Are All Men Created Equal?

[SaintB]

The notion that all men are created equal is the notion that all men were born with equal standing before the law independent of their social class and etc.

[Zurkerx]

No they are not, and it is the same for women as well.

[Insaeldor]

We are all born equal in a moral and legal sense as well as before the authority of the government as per what the constitution is intended to mean. As for equal in actually of equal value and footing? No some people born better off then others sadly.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

1) How do you know that a student from Group B won't do better?

The student from Group A is likely to do better than the student from Group B in most situations. Although the student in Group B can prevail, if we were looking at the group statistics, Group A would have the best education overall.

2) You haven't even defined what this group is, so you can't say the difference is simply genetic.

Does it matter what the group is? I'm simply suggesting two different groups and one is genetically better than the other, and that is why they are not equal.

[-Ebola-]

All men are created equal in the sense that they are entitled to equal rights, but they are not equal in the sense of their abilities or usefulness. Some people have a genetic disorder that prevents me from infecting them.

Its not a disorder, its a gift.

It is a disorder. It has damaging effects, quite aside from inconveniencing me.

[United Marxist Nations]

1) How do you know that a student from Group B won't do better?

The student from Group A is likely to do better than the student from Group B in most situations. Although the student in Group B can prevail, if we were looking at the group statistics, Group A would have the best education overall.

2) You haven't even defined what this group is, so you can't say the difference is simply genetic.

Does it matter what the group is? I'm simply suggesting two different groups and one is genetically better than the other, and that is why they are not equal.

That's because you're creating group A based on who has the most education.

[Margno]

Equally valuable, equally important. Equally fucked up.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

That's because you're creating group A based on who has the most education.

I'm creating Group A based on genetic advantage. You would have known this if you had read the post.

[Margno]

All posters arguing that all men are created equal ***Banned*** for all X are Y.
Margno, Thunder God, Wielder of the Mighty Hammer Bjanmir, Nationstates Moderator.

[Cataracta Unkown]

"I had a dream (forget the rest) that all men are created equal." - Martin Luther King

[United Marxist Nations]

That's because you're creating group A based on who has the most education.

I'm creating Group A based on genetic advantage. You would have known this if you had read the post.

Based on ASSUMED genetic advantage, it is a fictional group, nothing is proven about it; it is a non-existent observation.

[Aelex]

We are all born equal in a moral and legal sense as well as before the authority of the government as per what the constitution is intended to mean. As for equal in actually of equal value and footing? No some people born better off then others sadly.

It's normal. But we still are egual and all have access to the same rights and advantages such as education,etc...

[Elesar]

I don't believe in God, but I do believe that there IS a natural order to things. The strong rule the weak, etc. Based on what I believe, a monarchy makes perfect sense. The concept of human rights wasn't around until people got soft. I may be getting off topic here, but this quote from Mussolini sums up my beliefs on democracy. "Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy." The very concept of a government ruled by the common people breeds corruption, sloth, and greed in them. Not all men are equal. There has been and always will be a ruling class. Certain people will always be treated better than others.

[Alcase]

All men and women are created equal.

All men and women are born with inherent human rights that are deserved but solemnly granted.

[Old Tyrannia]

Equal in what sense?

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

I'm creating Group A based on genetic advantage. You would have known this if you had read the post.

Based on ASSUMED genetic advantage, it is a fictional group, nothing is proven about it; it is a non-existent observation.

How to twist an argument using Wordplay - a novel by United Marxist Nations

[Imperial City-States]

Of course not.


Do we have equal rights? Sure, But to say someone with an IQ of 125 is equal to someone with an IQ or 60 is a falsehood.

[Ethel mermania]

It seems to me a misinterpretation to think it means everyone is born equal, I interpret it as meaning everybody is declared to be equal under the law.

Oh sure be reasonable and logical. Get your own Damm lepoard.

[Lingang]

We were born equal, not idendical.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Legally, yes.
Physically, no.

[Pan-America under the United States]

Yes, everyone is equal. IQ, height, weight, intellect, it doesn't matter. Like someone already said, we're born equal, not identical.

I don't have a high IQ (107), I'm 5'9, 150 Pounds, I won't comment on my intellect because that's rather subjective, but I'll be damned if someone says I'm below them for any of those reasons. Class wise? No. Legally? Yes. Mortally? Yes.

Some people are more compassionate than others, some are more logical, some are physically stronger and some are physically weaker, everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Anyone who says they're above you is misguided.

[Big Brain City]

Before the state, all are equally valued from creation. No human is purely identical to any other.

[Big Brain City]

All posters arguing that all men are created equal ***Banned*** for all X are Y.
Margno, Thunder God, Wielder of the Mighty Hammer Bjanmir, Nationstates Moderator.

[Pan-America under the United States]

All posters arguing that all men are created equal ***Banned*** for all X are Y.
Margno, Thunder God, Wielder of the Mighty Hammer Bjanmir, Nationstates Moderator.

BTFO.

[Benuty]

All men are created equal in the sense that they are entitled to equal rights, but they are not equal in the sense of their abilities or usefulness. Some people have a genetic disorder that prevents me from infecting them.

Its not a disorder, its a gift.

No it is a product of the genetic lottery.