Sex Trafficking and Gender.

[Kaztropol]

But what I don't see, are any stories about young men in similar circumstances.

Which suggests several things: That men aren't being lured in this way, that it is just not being reported, or that there aren't any lapdancing clubs, saunas, massage parlours or other similar businesses, that the organised criminals use as covers for prostitution, that employ men in the same ways as they employ women.

Do you have any statistics showing anything similar ?

E.g. X thousand young E.European women are lured to the UK with promises of factory work or similar, end up in a massage parlour. This appears in the newspapers. How many young E.European men are in similar circumstances, in the UK ?

There are links provided in the OP showing that male victims of this are likely to be arrested, and female ones are likely to be directed to social services. As for luring, i'm unsure.

Yes, but none of those seem to be about the issues in a UK context.

So, there's still 3 scenarios, to explain why there doesn't seem to be any news stories about adult male victims of sex trafficking, in the UK.

1. Male prostitution isn't a thing in the UK, and doesn't exist on anywhere like the scale as female prostitution.
2. Male prostitution is a thing, but foreign men aren't being trafficked for it.
3. It is a thing, foreign men are being trafficked, but it is not being reported, for whatever reason.


So, in your OP, when you ask:

Do you think society needs to refocus the issue away from girls and women and towards boys and men, or toward a neutral look at the issue?

Then, if scenarios 1 or 2 are the case, then, it would seem there is little need to refocus the issue of sex trafficking of foreign people. If there's 1000 Czech women and only 1 Czech man victims, then I'm not sure of the benefit in refocusing the portrayal of that issue.
If scenario 3 is the case, then, there would be some reason to look at that issue in a neutral fashion.


On a wider perspective, which would include UK people, and not just foreign people, then, if the statistics are there, then a more neutral focus might be of benefit.


Also, in the UK, for Chinese people, there are news stories about women being lured to the UK, and ending up in prostitution, and news stories about men being lured, and ending up in illegal drugs production, but no stories about women in drugs production, or men in prostitution. It's possible that the whole human trafficking issue just has different outcomes for the victims. Women into prostitution, Men into other organised crime activities. But that's a different issue, if we're only talking about sex trafficking.

[Geanna]

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NOVA, a research institute under the auspices of the Norwegian Ministry of Education and Research found in a report (which discusses several studies) in 2002 that 2.1% of school-aged boys (of a representative sample – basically all pupils between 14-17 years old in Oslo were asked to fill out a form – appr. 12.000 pupils) in Oslo had performed sexual favours for payment. The corresponding number for school-aged girls were 0.6%. The mean age for first time sex selling experience was 13.5 years for boys and 14.1 years for girls.

http://www.nova.no/asset/3086/1/3086_1.pdf
Report is in Norwegian, but the final two pages contain an English summary.

This study from Sweden ( http://prosentret.no/?wpfb_dl=533 – sorry only in Swedish) found that from a sample of 2,323 girls and 2,016 boys (sample from the capital, a large port city and three smaller cities) that 1.0% of the girls and1.8% of the boys had sold sex. The difference between the genders are statistically significant(?) (Chi2 5,654, p=.017).

Another bunch of studies confirming similar rates:

This study also referred to an American study done in Saint Louis which found that the lifetime prevalency numbers for prostitution were 4% for men and 2% for women. Cottler L, Helzer J, Tipp JE. Lifetime patterns of substance use among general population subjects engaging in high risk sexual behaviours: Implications for HIV risk. American Journal of Drug and Alcohol Abuse 1990;16:207-22.

That study is unfortunately behind a paywall, but here is a link if anyone has access through their university or work: http://informahealthcare.com/d…..9009001584

Another study ( http://prosentret.no/?wpfb_dl=371 ) done in the city of Gothenburg in Sweden also found that more boys than girls said they had sold sex (exchanged sex for money or other things/favours). Here it was 11.4% of boys and 7.4% of girls. The high percentage is explained by this not being a “normalpopulation”, they used an online-survey form advertised by banner ads on two social sites and in that sense the sample was self-selected and would likely contain a higher ratio of youth having experience with sex, sexual abuse and sex sale. This one was interesting considering that 1/3 of the boys reported a female customer.

According to this: http://www.monitor.upeace.org/…..rticle=873 UNICEF estimates that MORE than half of the 30,000 child sex workers in Sri Lanka are boys.

Another American study analysing data from the National Incident-Based Reporting System found that Police report more contacts with male juvenile prostitutes (61%) than with female juvenile prostitutes (39%). It is also depressingly predictable that the police is more likely to arrest male juvenile prostitutes and more likely to refer female juvenile prostitutes to other authorities, such as social services agencies.
Source: http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/203946.pdf

This report ( http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/prosti…..tsheet.pdf ) cites this study: Edward, J.M., Iritani, B.J., & Hallfors, D.D. (2005). Prevalence and correlates of exchanging sex for drugs or money among adolescents in the United States. Sexually Transmitted Infections 82(5): 354‐358. as finding that 67.9% of those who said they had participated in sex exchange were males (of a national representative sample of 12,294).

Curtis and Danks found in 2008 that 45% of underaged prostitutes in NYC were boys: http://www.riverfronttimes.com…..ng-minors/
I seem to remember that Toysoldier have posted something about that report when it came out.

A Minnesota statewide study of homeless youth in 2003 indicated that homeless boys are seven times more likely and homeless girls are three times more likely to have a history of sexual abuse than their housed peers:
Owens, Greg. Wilder Research Center. 2003. Homeless Youth In Minnesota: A statewide survey of people without permanent shelter. Wilder Research Center, St. Paul, Minnesota:

These type of findings is not something new – here are some more studies from the 1990s:
Feitel (1992) – New York – 150 shelter using youth age 13-22:
21 percent of the boys and 5 percent of the girls said that they had engaged in sex in exchange for ‘food, shelter, money, or drugs.

Rotheram‐Borus (1992) – New York – 206 homeless youth age 11-18:
13 percent of males exchanged sex for money or drugs and 7 percent of females exchanged sex for money or drugs.

Kipke (1995/97) – Los Angeles – 409 street youth age 12-23:
43 percent reported experience with survival sex (46 percent of young men and 32 percent of young women).

Wagner (2001) – Seattle – 289 homeless youth age 13-22:
47 percent of females and 37 percent of males were propositioned to sell sex.

Boys are more likely to be arrested, and girls are more likely to be guided toward social services, if caught.
(Sources: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/203946.pdf and http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/us/a- ... share&_r=0 )


So, to the point then, other than educating people about sex trafficking and gender.
Do you think society needs to refocus the issue away from girls and women and towards boys and men, or toward a neutral look at the issue?
I'd say so. I'd also say the UN needs to do more to dispel the illusion that this is a womens issue, as do some private and government organizations.

Would you support a law demanding equal coverage in campaigns about the issue? I would, because:

“NGOs have figured out that they can appeal to the public, donors and funders if they emphasize sex trafficking of girls. These organizations have a vested interest in defining the problem in one way over the other. Using the term women and girls frequently has a very clear purpose in attracting government funding, public and media attention but boys who are victimized are being ignored because most of the resources are devoted to girls,” Weitzer said.

http://www.alternet.org/gender/demystif ... en-victims

I'd say all such similar behavior should be prohibited by law, frankly.
It's interesting that we see similar rates of reporting across different cultures, usually around twice as many males as females, dropping to in some areas males only slightly outnumbering females. I think this does a lot to bolster the credibility of the findings and rule out the self-reporting complaint. (As it does not appear to matter how much a society stigmatizes sex or homosexuality, the rates of reporting remain similar.)

(Tehedit)
EDIT:
It was pointed out to me that I should clarify.
The thread isn't entirely ripped from elsewhere. My prompts to discussion are original.
The sources and all quoted bits are, as well as the title since it seemed an appropriate one (Though I added, "And gender.")
Basically, if it's in quotes, it's not mine. The rest is. This, as far as I know, meets the standards for posting, especially as i've acknowledged all sources in the OP.
The information shown was not collected by me, but that doesn't strike me as odd, considering we have similar threads quoting news stories with a line or two prompting discussion and giving the OP's opinion. If anyone thinks this violates the rules, I invite them to take it up with moderation.
(If a moderator swings by and reads this, I give permission to delete this portion of the post if they determine the thread is kosher.)

As with Rape; I feel society needs to necessitate a direction towards a gender neutral approach, since yes, both females and males can be subject to sexual abuse, or in this case sex trafficking. The fact that resources are already especially leveraged towards females more, is perhaps why sex trafficking has become more prevalent of males, there's less of a watchful eye on the other side of the coin.

[Ostroeuropa]

There are links provided in the OP showing that male victims of this are likely to be arrested, and female ones are likely to be directed to social services. As for luring, i'm unsure.

Yes, but none of those seem to be about the issues in a UK context.

So, there's still 3 scenarios, to explain why there doesn't seem to be any news stories about adult male victims of sex trafficking, in the UK.

1. Male prostitution isn't a thing in the UK, and doesn't exist on anywhere like the scale as female prostitution.
2. Male prostitution is a thing, but foreign men aren't being trafficked for it.
3. It is a thing, foreign men are being trafficked, but it is not being reported, for whatever reason.


So, in your OP, when you ask:

Do you think society needs to refocus the issue away from girls and women and towards boys and men, or toward a neutral look at the issue?

Then, if scenarios 1 or 2 are the case, then, it would seem there is little need to refocus the issue of sex trafficking of foreign people. If there's 1000 Czech women and only 1 Czech man victims, then I'm not sure of the benefit in refocusing the portrayal of that issue.
If scenario 3 is the case, then, there would be some reason to look at that issue in a neutral fashion.


On a wider perspective, which would include UK people, and not just foreign people, then, if the statistics are there, then a more neutral focus might be of benefit.


Also, in the UK, for Chinese people, there are news stories about women being lured to the UK, and ending up in prostitution, and news stories about men being lured, and ending up in illegal drugs production, but no stories about women in drugs production, or men in prostitution. It's possible that the whole human trafficking issue just has different outcomes for the victims. Women into prostitution, Men into other organised crime activities. But that's a different issue, if we're only talking about sex trafficking.

I'd say it's 3, and it's because of gynocentrism in society. (Basically, that nobody cares about men. So a news story about them won't get an audience.)
It could be 2, but with native underage male prostitutes forming the majority as the studies show.

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http://www.nova.no/asset/3086/1/3086_1.pdf
Report is in Norwegian, but the final two pages contain an English summary.



Another bunch of studies confirming similar rates:

Boys are more likely to be arrested, and girls are more likely to be guided toward social services, if caught.
(Sources: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/203946.pdf and http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/us/a- ... share&_r=0 )


So, to the point then, other than educating people about sex trafficking and gender.
Do you think society needs to refocus the issue away from girls and women and towards boys and men, or toward a neutral look at the issue?
I'd say so. I'd also say the UN needs to do more to dispel the illusion that this is a womens issue, as do some private and government organizations.

Would you support a law demanding equal coverage in campaigns about the issue? I would, because:



http://www.alternet.org/gender/demystif ... en-victims

I'd say all such similar behavior should be prohibited by law, frankly.
It's interesting that we see similar rates of reporting across different cultures, usually around twice as many males as females, dropping to in some areas males only slightly outnumbering females. I think this does a lot to bolster the credibility of the findings and rule out the self-reporting complaint. (As it does not appear to matter how much a society stigmatizes sex or homosexuality, the rates of reporting remain similar.)

(Tehedit)
EDIT:
It was pointed out to me that I should clarify.
The thread isn't entirely ripped from elsewhere. My prompts to discussion are original.
The sources and all quoted bits are, as well as the title since it seemed an appropriate one (Though I added, "And gender.")
Basically, if it's in quotes, it's not mine. The rest is. This, as far as I know, meets the standards for posting, especially as i've acknowledged all sources in the OP.
The information shown was not collected by me, but that doesn't strike me as odd, considering we have similar threads quoting news stories with a line or two prompting discussion and giving the OP's opinion. If anyone thinks this violates the rules, I invite them to take it up with moderation.
(If a moderator swings by and reads this, I give permission to delete this portion of the post if they determine the thread is kosher.)

As with Rape; I feel society needs to necessitate a direction towards a gender neutral approach, since yes, both females and males can be subject to sexual abuse, or in this case sex trafficking. The fact that resources are already especially leveraged towards females more, is perhaps why sex trafficking has become more prevalent of males, there's less of a watchful eye on the other side of the coin.

Could be, sure.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ben-ach ... 91551.html

Seems relevant to the conversation.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ben-acheson/human-trafficking-gender-equal_b_4191551.html

Seems relevant to the conversation.

Want me to add it to the OP?

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ben-acheson/human-trafficking-gender-equal_b_4191551.html

Seems relevant to the conversation.

Want me to add it to the OP?

Your call. But it might avoid any back and forth over the rates of human trafficking by gender.

[Ostroeuropa]

Want me to add it to the OP?

Your call. But it might avoid any back and forth over the rates of human trafficking by gender.

Dunno. People are welcome to find contradictory sources. Added it.
What's your opinion on the gendered campaigning?

[Socialist Tera]

We need to crack down really hard on the sex trafficking for both genders. I think rather than trialing the sex traffickers in their country of origins they should be trialed in the country of the sex slave. I personally think sex traffickers and people who buy the products. should be sent to the gulag for re-education. The slaves should be given free mental healthcare and free healthcare plus a sum of money to help him/her rebuild his/her life.

[Ostroeuropa]

We need to crack down really hard on the sex trafficking for both genders. I think rather than trialing the sex traffickers in their country of origins they should be trialed in the country of the sex slave. I personally think sex traffickers and people who buy the products. should be sent to the gulag for re-education. The slaves should be given free mental healthcare and free healthcare plus a sum of money to help him/her rebuild his/her life.

Or we could just arrest and institutionalize them instead of dehumanizing them for dehumanizing others.

[Socialist Tera]

We need to crack down really hard on the sex trafficking for both genders. I think rather than trialing the sex traffickers in their country of origins they should be trialed in the country of the sex slave. I personally think sex traffickers and people who buy the products. should be sent to the gulag for re-education. The slaves should be given free mental healthcare and free healthcare plus a sum of money to help him/her rebuild his/her life.

Or we could just arrest and institutionalize them instead of dehumanizing them for dehumanizing others.

The gulag is re-education through labour.

[Aequalitia]

There are links provided in the OP showing that male victims of this are likely to be arrested, and female ones are likely to be directed to social services. As for luring, i'm unsure.

Yes, but none of those seem to be about the issues in a UK context.

So, there's still 3 scenarios, to explain why there doesn't seem to be any news stories about adult male victims of sex trafficking, in the UK.

1. Male prostitution isn't a thing in the UK, and doesn't exist on anywhere like the scale as female prostitution.
2. Male prostitution is a thing, but foreign men aren't being trafficked for it.
3. It is a thing, foreign men are being trafficked, but it is not being reported, for whatever reason.


So, in your OP, when you ask:

Do you think society needs to refocus the issue away from girls and women and towards boys and men, or toward a neutral look at the issue?

Then, if scenarios 1 or 2 are the case, then, it would seem there is little need to refocus the issue of sex trafficking of foreign people. If there's 1000 Czech women and only 1 Czech man victims, then I'm not sure of the benefit in refocusing the portrayal of that issue.
If scenario 3 is the case, then, there would be some reason to look at that issue in a neutral fashion.


On a wider perspective, which would include UK people, and not just foreign people, then, if the statistics are there, then a more neutral focus might be of benefit.


Also, in the UK, for Chinese people, there are news stories about women being lured to the UK, and ending up in prostitution, and news stories about men being lured, and ending up in illegal drugs production, but no stories about women in drugs production, or men in prostitution. It's possible that the whole human trafficking issue just has different outcomes for the victims. Women into prostitution, Men into other organised crime activities. But that's a different issue, if we're only talking about sex trafficking.

Or 4. Females can only be victims of sex trafficking, prostitution, and sex slavery.

You hear never those stories by males not because those cases not existing, but simple because they can basically go nowhere and be very ashamed, plus they being threatened makes a simple conclusion that the hidden group (males) be threatened in the same level as females, got the same physical and especially mental damaged like females in the same boat, ignored and taken not serious, not by society, not by politicians, not by police.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's a problem, regardless of gender. It's not about refocusing from females to males. It's about targeting the trafficking. Both males and females and transgender are victims of it. Genderless approach.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's a problem, regardless of gender. It's not about refocusing from females to males. It's about targeting the trafficking. Both males and females and transgender are victims of it. Genderless approach.

I'd support that.

[Socialist Tera]

It's a problem, regardless of gender. It's not about refocusing from females to males. It's about targeting the trafficking. Both males and females and transgender are victims of it. Genderless approach.

Would you jail the suppliers and/or the buyers?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It's a problem, regardless of gender. It's not about refocusing from females to males. It's about targeting the trafficking. Both males and females and transgender are victims of it. Genderless approach.

Would you jail the suppliers and/or the buyers?

I'd hold both accountable.

[Ostroeuropa]

Would you jail the suppliers and/or the buyers?

I'd hold both accountable.

I'm not convinced of the prudence of criminalizing buyers.
If the prohibition of prostitution serves as precedent, all it would accomplish is chasing away some customers, and those left behind would be more prone to criminality and violent behavior, and now compromise the entire client base, thus putting the people we're trying to protect in more danger.
I accept that is somewhat of a bitter pill to swallow.
For underage trafficking it's probably a necessity to prosecute buyers maintain any semblance of moral integrity. For others, i'm just not convinced it's prudent.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'd hold both accountable.

I'm not convinced of the prudence of criminalizing buyers.
If the prohibition of prostitution serves as precedent, all it would accomplish is chasing away some customers, and those left behind would be more prone to criminality and violent behavior, and now compromise the entire client base, thus putting the people we're trying to protect in more danger.
I accept that is somewhat of a bitter pill to swallow.
For underage trafficking it's probably a necessity to prosecute buyers maintain any semblance of moral integrity. For others, i'm just not convinced it's prudent.

Accountable as in fitting the crime. I wouldn't punish the buyers as harshly as I would the suppliers. But I think there should be consequences for both. However, I do see your point.

[The Sotoan Union]

It should emphasize the danger to boys but that doesn't mean it should talk about the threat to girls, and notably adult women, any less. It's not a scale where if you talk about boys more you therefore have to talk about girls less. You can emphasize both just as easily.

[Ostroeuropa]

It should emphasize the danger to boys but that doesn't mean it should talk about the threat to girls, and notably adult women, any less. It's not a scale where if you talk about boys more you therefore have to talk about girls less. You can emphasize both just as easily.

So you'd double the amount of time we as a society spend talking about the issue? Twice the funds, etc?
That'll get pretty silly pretty quickly as we repeat your "Solution" across every issue.
We could just degender the campaigns. But that would involve people giving up their gynocentrism.

[The Sotoan Union]

It should emphasize the danger to boys but that doesn't mean it should talk about the threat to girls, and notably adult women, any less. It's not a scale where if you talk about boys more you therefore have to talk about girls less. You can emphasize both just as easily.

So you'd double the amount of time we as a society spend talking about the issue? Twice the funds, etc?
That'll get pretty silly pretty quickly as we repeat your "Solution" across every issue.
We could just degender the campaigns. But that would involve people giving up their gynocentrism.

That's not how it always works. Addressing this issue can partly be as simple as saying that boys and girls are the victims. Why does that require double the resources?

[Ostroeuropa]

So you'd double the amount of time we as a society spend talking about the issue? Twice the funds, etc?
That'll get pretty silly pretty quickly as we repeat your "Solution" across every issue.
We could just degender the campaigns. But that would involve people giving up their gynocentrism.

That's not how it always works. Addressing this issue can partly be as simple as saying that boys and girls are the victims. Why does that require double the resources?

To help the boys as well as the girls?
Well. Maybe not.
Jailing them is more expensive than rehab, and currently we jail the boys and rehab the girls.
So it might even be a saving.

But you know de-gendering the issue will stop people caring. They'll throw money at the next """womens""" issue instead.
Maybe i'm just cynical.