Jeb Bush Channels Rick Perry: "Oops."

[Gauthier]

You think he'd win against China? The man can't even win his timeslot.

He'd do a better job then Nixon and Kissinger...giving up all of America's middle class jobs and manufactoring doomed us to become a service industry paradise where everyone works at fast food or retail...

Yes, the guy who had more bankrupcies than a Wheel of Fortune marathon is the one to lead the nation against China economically.

[Eastern Equestria]

Well there's a rather egregious boo-boo. I have no doubt this'll be used as fodder against him later down the campaign trail, and rightfully so. Terribly irresponsible thing for him to do.

[The United Territories of Providence]

He doesn't believe in Marriage Equality, he said that is a states rights issue.

My mistake. He doesn't support a federal ban.

He only favors federal legalization of Medical Cannabis

No, he supports legalizing cannabis, but only at the state level. Common Republican cop-out.

Conservatives love demilitarized police because they don't like the idea of police over reach or big government building local armies to police the people.

The "tough on crime" issue (which he does not follow, opposing minimum sentences and the like) tends not to lead to that. As I said before, it is more establishment vs. anti-establishment then conservative vs. liberal.

He's our candidate for 2016. He doesn't have to hide anything, he should run on those things. Minorities like him, Young people like him, and Conservatives, Moderates and Libertarians like him.

Apparently. I looked hm up some more and found he could rather easily become a social conservative if needed. Had he actually been a libertarian I might have considered voting for him, but if he runs on such a platform I guess I will vote for Hillary.

Suppose Hillary loses the Primary again...or just doesn't run? Even as a conservative, Paul looks better than what....Martin O'Malley....Jim Webb...Uncle Joe Biden? Those guys aren't serious, and Bernie Sanders is too old and Warren ain't running. Join the Red Side.

[Thermodolia]

He'd do a better job then Nixon and Kissinger...giving up all of America's middle class jobs and manufactoring doomed us to become a service industry paradise where everyone works at fast food or retail...

Yes, the guy who had more bankrupcies than a Wheel of Fortune marathon is the one to lead the nation against China economically.

Because what else makes more sense? /sarc

[Thermodolia]

My mistake. He doesn't support a federal ban.

No, he supports legalizing cannabis, but only at the state level. Common Republican cop-out.

The "tough on crime" issue (which he does not follow, opposing minimum sentences and the like) tends not to lead to that. As I said before, it is more establishment vs. anti-establishment then conservative vs. liberal.

Apparently. I looked hm up some more and found he could rather easily become a social conservative if needed. Had he actually been a libertarian I might have considered voting for him, but if he runs on such a platform I guess I will vote for Hillary.

Suppose Hillary loses the Primary again...or just doesn't run? Even as a conservative, Paul looks better than what....Martin O'Malley....Jim Webb...Uncle Joe Biden? Those guys aren't serious, and Bernie Sanders is too old and Warren ain't running. Join the Red Side.

Could you imagine Joe Biden running?

[Estva]

My mistake. He doesn't support a federal ban.

No, he supports legalizing cannabis, but only at the state level. Common Republican cop-out.

The "tough on crime" issue (which he does not follow, opposing minimum sentences and the like) tends not to lead to that. As I said before, it is more establishment vs. anti-establishment then conservative vs. liberal.

Apparently. I looked hm up some more and found he could rather easily become a social conservative if needed. Had he actually been a libertarian I might have considered voting for him, but if he runs on such a platform I guess I will vote for Hillary.

Suppose Hillary loses the Primary again...or just doesn't run? Even as a conservative, Paul looks better than what....Martin O'Malley....Jim Webb...Uncle Joe Biden? Those guys aren't serious, and Bernie Sanders is too old and Warren ain't running. Join the Red Side.

I'm fine with O'Malley actually, and you forgot Cuomo. Biden was never a serious consideration.

I don't see Hillary not winning nomination barring her death or medical incapacitation.

[Thermodolia]

Suppose Hillary loses the Primary again...or just doesn't run? Even as a conservative, Paul looks better than what....Martin O'Malley....Jim Webb...Uncle Joe Biden? Those guys aren't serious, and Bernie Sanders is too old and Warren ain't running. Join the Red Side.

I'm fine with O'Malley actually, and you forgot Cuomo. Biden was never a serious consideration.

I don't see Hillary not winning nomination barring her death or medical incapacitation.

O'Malley isn't that bad. Cuomo probably won't make it out of the Northeast. And Hillary no more Clinton's!

[Estva]

I'm fine with O'Malley actually, and you forgot Cuomo. Biden was never a serious consideration.

I don't see Hillary not winning nomination barring her death or medical incapacitation.

O'Malley isn't that bad. Cuomo probably won't make it out of the Northeast. And Hillary no more Clinton's!

I will swallow reinforcing a political dynasty over Republican policies.

[Thermodolia]

O'Malley isn't that bad. Cuomo probably won't make it out of the Northeast. And Hillary no more Clinton's!

I will swallow reinforcing a political dynasty over Republican policies.

I'd still go with O'Malley.

[The United Territories of Providence]

I'm fine with O'Malley actually, and you forgot Cuomo. Biden was never a serious consideration.

I don't see Hillary not winning nomination barring her death or medical incapacitation.

I saw her winning in 2007, but then 2008 some black no name senator pops up and then you know the rest. The nature of politics is always subject to change, and Democrats have had time to forget that Clinton isn't very liberal. So they might be disenchanted once she starts to campaign with her hawkishness and center-right opinions. Also...we haven't elected an East Coast Liberal since Kennedy. Cuomo doesn't have the best record either. I don't think he could appeal to the electorate, he's just a New York Governor, not FDR.

Could you imagine Joe Biden running?

Joe Biden? Let's see how the country looks in May....anything can happen.

[Estva]

I will swallow reinforcing a political dynasty over Republican policies.

I'd still go with O'Malley.

I'd love him too, but he doesn't have the same connections.

[Thermodolia]

I'd still go with O'Malley.

I'd love him too, but he doesn't have the same connections.

The unfortunate side of politics, no connections.

[Estva]

I saw her winning in 2007, but then 2008 some black no name senator pops up and then you know the rest. The nature of politics is always subject to change, and Democrats have had time to forget that Clinton isn't very liberal. So they might be disenchanted once she starts to campaign with her hawkishness and center-right opinions.

Well I am a foreign-policy hawk, but she does have corporatist influences and is solidly establishment. The only competitors are Warren(too left-wing, and just not president material) and maybe O'Malley, who doesn't have an "edge" and is only not super establishment because he is less powerful.

[The United Territories of Providence]

I saw her winning in 2007, but then 2008 some black no name senator pops up and then you know the rest. The nature of politics is always subject to change, and Democrats have had time to forget that Clinton isn't very liberal. So they might be disenchanted once she starts to campaign with her hawkishness and center-right opinions.

Well I am a foreign-policy hawk, but she does have corporatist influences and is solidly establishment. The only competitors are Warren(too left-wing, and just not president material) and maybe O'Malley, who doesn't have an "edge" and is only not super establishment because he is less powerful.

Warren isn't running (not competition) and O'Malley needs to get known before he can compete. I don't like making age a factor because sometimes it doesn't matter, but for several decades now Democrat Presidents are under the age of 55....Clinton would be 69....Democrats don't vote for old candidates because they're the party of the young. O'Malley has the edge of age. Corporatism is going to hurt Clinton, especially in post-recession America.

[Estva]

Well I am a foreign-policy hawk, but she does have corporatist influences and is solidly establishment. The only competitors are Warren(too left-wing, and just not president material) and maybe O'Malley, who doesn't have an "edge" and is only not super establishment because he is less powerful.

Warren isn't running (not competition) and O'Malley needs to get known before he can compete. I don't like making age a factor because sometimes it doesn't matter, but for several decades now Democrat Presidents are under the age of 55....Clinton would be 69....Democrats don't vote for old candidates because they're the party of the young. O'Malley has the edge of age. Corporatism is going to hurt Clinton, especially in post-recession America.

Yes, Warren would just be playing second fiddly to Hillary.

O'Malley is the only serious competition, as long as he can get himself known, as you said. Biden is just a joke at this point, he would be entering with a truckload of gaffes worth 2 presidential elections.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'm fine with O'Malley actually, and you forgot Cuomo. Biden was never a serious consideration.

I don't see Hillary not winning nomination barring her death or medical incapacitation.

I saw her winning in 2007, but then 2008 some black no name senator pops up and then you know the rest. The nature of politics is always subject to change, and Democrats have had time to forget that Clinton isn't very liberal. So they might be disenchanted once she starts to campaign with her hawkishness and center-right opinions. Also...we haven't elected an East Coast Liberal since Kennedy. Cuomo doesn't have the best record either. I don't think he could appeal to the electorate, he's just a New York Governor, not FDR.

At this point during the last cycle, Obama was on the horizon, and people were pressuring him to run. The only person like that now is Warren, and she doesn't even come across as flirting with the possibility. I suspect that Clinton's camp is going to promise her the moon to stay out, and besides, I don't think that she wants the job. She's far more effective in the Senate than she would be in the White House.

[Wisconsin9]

Right now if Bush III falls out of favor, then that leaves the GOP with Christie, Walker, Cruz, and Rubio. Christie still hasn't really recovered.

I say it's going to be walker. He has some good right-wing positions but is willing to compromise on several issues. Particularly immigration. Cruz and Rubio will only gain support in the limited fraction of the GOP.

God, I hope so. Worst-case scenario, he wins and gets the hell out of this state. Best-case scenario, he loses in a landslide and has his name dragged through so much mud that no backer will touch him.

[Estva]

I say it's going to be walker. He has some good right-wing positions but is willing to compromise on several issues. Particularly immigration. Cruz and Rubio will only gain support in the limited fraction of the GOP.

God, I hope so. Worst-case scenario, he wins and gets the hell out of this state. Best-case scenario, he loses in a landslide and has his name dragged through so much mud that no backer will touch him.

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[Wisconsin9]

God, I hope so. Worst-case scenario, he wins and gets the hell out of this state. Best-case scenario, he loses in a landslide and has his name dragged through so much mud that no backer will touch him.

I just find it hilarious he lost the popular vote by 300,000 but still stayed in because of how the election worked.

He might be considering a presidential run just because he probably won't win re-election.

I wish I was that confident, but after the recall and this past election....

[Geilinor]

God, I hope so. Worst-case scenario, he wins and gets the hell out of this state. Best-case scenario, he loses in a landslide and has his name dragged through so much mud that no backer will touch him.

I just find it hilarious he lost the popular vote by 300,000 but still stayed in because of how the election worked.

It's called, "Winning like George W. Bush".

[Estva]

I just find it hilarious he lost the popular vote by 300,000 but still stayed in because of how the election worked.

He might be considering a presidential run just because he probably won't win re-election.

I wish I was that confident, but after the recall and this past election....

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[The United Territories of Providence]

I say it's going to be walker. He has some good right-wing positions but is willing to compromise on several issues. Particularly immigration. Cruz and Rubio will only gain support in the limited fraction of the GOP.

God, I hope so. Worst-case scenario, he wins and gets the hell out of this state. Best-case scenario, he loses in a landslide and has his name dragged through so much mud that no backer will touch him.

"I’ll just tell you one thing. After three elections for governor in four years in a state that hasn’t gone Republican since 1984 for president, I wouldn’t bet against me on anything."
- Scott Walker

That kind of confidence worries me....he might just pull back the nomination....

[Estva]

I just find it hilarious he lost the popular vote by 300,000 but still stayed in because of how the election worked.

It's called, "Winning like George W. Bush".

It's especially bad considering there was like 2.5 million votes total.

[Wisconsin9]

I wish I was that confident, but after the recall and this past election....

That's the idea - he lost the popular vote on a recall, and only won by winning the rural counties and republican strongholds, and if such a trend stays he doesn't stand a chance getting reelected.

According to Wikipedia, he won the popular vote with a greater margin than he did the first time, and he's already been reelected once.

[Estva]

That's the idea - he lost the popular vote on a recall, and only won by winning the rural counties and republican strongholds, and if such a trend stays he doesn't stand a chance getting reelected.

According to Wikipedia, he won the popular vote with a greater margin than he did the first time, and he's already been reelected once.

wow what a joke I am.

Misread that number. Sincerely apologize for that.

Don't worry, Illinois has it worse.