Chapel Hill shooting: Three Muslims murdered, motive unclear

[Aelex]

So. To be clear, they're three possibility.
1)The murderer did it in name of Atheism, and thus, this is a Religious Hate Crime.
2)The murderer did it because he hate Muslims, and thus, this is a simple Hate Crime.
Or 3) The murderer did it for another reason, and thus, this is a simple good old plain crime.

I personnaly think it's both 1 and 2...

[Liberty and Linguistics]

I am so sick of people thrusting forward the "parking dispute" narrative so quickly. The man was a militant anti-theist, and he got in an argument with muslims which ended with him killing them. If they too had been militant anti-theists, they would still be alive. It was a hate crime.

Source?

Given the fact that a widely circulated claim is that the killer had altercations with these people before makes me doubt that it was a mere parking dispute.

[The New Sea Territory]

I am so sick of people thrusting forward the "parking dispute" narrative so quickly. The man was a militant anti-theist, and he got in an argument with muslims which ended with him killing them. If they too had been militant anti-theists, they would still be alive. It was a hate crime.

First and foremost, define "militant anti-theist".

Secondly, that is what everyone involved said, except that father.

[Ethel mermania]

Source?

Given the fact that a widely circulated claim is that the killer had altercations with these people before makes me doubt that it was a mere parking dispute.

according to the article in the times, he supported the ground zero mosque. He also threatened folks over a noisy game of "risk", and commonly had folks towed for parking.

[Benuty]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /23282813/

So there is this.

[Mavorpen]

Given the fact that a widely circulated claim is that the killer had altercations with these people before makes me doubt that it was a mere parking dispute.

according to the article in the times, he supported the ground zero mosque. He also threatened folks over a noisy game of "risk", and commonly had folks towed for parking.

That and his ex-wife said he had personality issues in general.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Given the fact that a widely circulated claim is that the killer had altercations with these people before makes me doubt that it was a mere parking dispute.

according to the article in the times, he supported the ground zero mosque. He also threatened folks over a noisy game of "risk", and commonly had folks towed for parking.

If that's the case, then perhaps I was misinformed.

[Ostroeuropa]

according to the article in the times, he supported the ground zero mosque. He also threatened folks over a noisy game of "risk", and commonly had folks towed for parking.

If that's the case, then perhaps I was misinformed.

It's fox news.
There is no perhaps about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/1 ... 98146.html

[The Huskar Social Union]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/12/muslims-north-carolina-funerals/23282813/

So there is this.

Really Touching that that many people attended, but those comments... bleh

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/12/muslims-north-carolina-funerals/23282813/

So there is this.

Really Touching that that many people attended, but those comments... bleh

Apparently, Anti-Muslim sentiment from the average American is stronger than Hick's could have ever hoped his anti-theism to be...

[Geilinor]

So. To be clear, they're three possibility.
1)The murderer did it in name of Atheism, and thus, this is a Religious Hate Crime.
2)The murderer did it because he hate Muslims, and thus, this is a simple Hate Crime.
Or 3) The murderer did it for another reason, and thus, this is a simple good old plain crime.

I personnaly think it's both 1 and 2...

Hate crimes are still ordinary crimes (in a sense).

[West Aurelia]

Is the punishment worse for hate crimes?

[Aelex]

Is the punishment worse for hate crimes?

Dunno, we don't have that in my country...

[Geilinor]

Is the punishment worse for hate crimes?

It shouldn't be, first-degree murder is first-degree murder.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Is the punishment worse for hate crimes?

It shouldn't be, first-degree murder is first-degree murder.

There's an argument to be made that if a person is provoked into crime by someone's membership in a group, rather than by individual circumstances or a personal dispute, then the chance of them committing another crime is higher than average.

Also the idea that hate crimes go beyond the victim, and damage the security of the group they are targeted against.

[American California]

Sounds like he was just some angry nut.


Fedora-wearing atheist heavyweights love to talk the talk about how they wanna kill religious people, but they hardly ever walk the walk.

[Lost heros]

Sounds like he was just some angry nut.


Fedora-wearing atheist heavyweights love to talk the talk about how they wanna kill religious people, but they hardly ever walk the walk.

We do?

[American California]

Sounds like he was just some angry nut.


Fedora-wearing atheist heavyweights love to talk the talk about how they wanna kill religious people, but they hardly ever walk the walk.

We do?

I went to reddit once.

Never again.

[Alosteq Diin Nastja]

Sounds like he was just some angry nut.


Fedora-wearing atheist heavyweights love to talk the talk about how they wanna kill religious people, but they hardly ever walk the walk.

We do?

You aren't alone. I wasn't aware we did it either.

[Sailsia]

We do?

I went to reddit once.

Never again.

Generalizing the entirety of reddit is like generalizing the entirety of the internet. For every /r/TheRedPill there is a /r/TwoXChromosomes.

[West Aurelia]

Hicks has been indicted.

[Zakuvia]

Well, I recently learned of ultraviolent militant Buddhists as well, so I'm just of the mind that any amount of all-or-nothing religion (or lack thereof) is a key ingredient in bigoted homicide.

[Gauthier]

Hicks has been indicted.

There's justice at least. You know there's a few assholes out on the internet who'd rather give him a medal for Fighting Terrorism.

[Creepoc Infinite]

If that's the case, then perhaps I was misinformed.

It's fox news.
There is no perhaps about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/1 ... 98146.html

It's Fox News, there is no facts involved whatsoever.

[Creepoc Infinite]

Sounds like he was just some angry nut.


Fedora-wearing atheist heavyweights love to talk the talk about how they wanna kill religious people, but they hardly ever walk the walk.

Never once has any represent ive of the atheist community ever said anything like that.
If they have... CITATION PLEASE

I will say that there are probably regular everyday atheist internet users who say that.
But threats are barely ever serious threats.
And saying they wanna kill religious people sounds more like internet trolling or purely being sarcastic or in jest.

Not only do we not talk that talk but we barely have ever even thought of walking that walk.

I hope you're sarcastic.