Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control

[Ardoki]

There would be a complete ban on the import and trade of firearms, along with ownership. Crimes committed with guns or replica guns, would get a mandatory sentence of at least 100 years. Ownership or trade would also receive a minimum 100 year sentence.

However some criminals may still have guns. However less criminals would have guns overall. While non criminals would have absolutely no guns.

Which is nothing more than making the innocent helpless.

The government will protect them, with the police and military.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Hunting for food DOES have a net benefit. It gives the hunter and family meat for the table, and helps keep the wild animal population in check (which helps the with the health of the rest of the herd, helps prevent auto accidents, helps prevent the spread of diseases like Lyme disease, and helps prevent property damage) .

It does not give a net benefit.

The killing of the animal vastly outweighs the eating of the meat

How?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Which is nothing more than making the innocent helpless.

The government will protect them, with the police and military.

Except when they can't.

[Diopolis]

I could threaten to overthrow the government without guns too bud.

While they are obviously deluded. The can cause quite a large amount of damage, as seen in the Waco Siege among many other incidents.

If you'd actually read the link, you'd know that all the deaths there didn't come from guns, they came from burning down a building full of women and children.

[Ardoki]

It does not give a net benefit.

The killing of the animal vastly outweighs the eating of the meat

How?

Killing someone in order to eat a chocolate bar is bad!

[Ardoki]

While they are obviously deluded. The can cause quite a large amount of damage, as seen in the Waco Siege among many other incidents.

If you'd actually read the link, you'd know that all the deaths there didn't come from guns, they came from burning down a building full of women and children.

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How?

Killing someone in order to eat a chocolate bar is bad!

But animals aren't people, and they kill each other for food anyway.

[The 502nd SS]

Look at what has happened in America. There are people who own have firearms, and they threaten to overthrow the US government if it veers towards the centre. They have no right to threaten the government like that; it's barbaric.

Thats one of the reasons why we have the 2nd.

[Ardoki]

Killing someone in order to eat a chocolate bar is bad!

But animals aren't people, and they kill each other for food anyway.

It's basically the same.

In the developed world, it is not necessary to eat meat. Therefore killing animals for food, is senseless killing.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you'd actually read the link, you'd know that all the deaths there didn't come from guns, they came from burning down a building full of women and children.

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

The American gun culture is problematic.
The ownership or existence of firearms is a different thing.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

But animals aren't people, and they kill each other for food anyway.

It's basically the same.

Took the words right out of my mouth; animals killing each other for food is the same as people killing animals for food.

In the developed world, it is not necessary to eat meat.

Except for calories and proteins that we can't get as efficiently from plants.

Therefore killing animals for food, is senseless killing.

No it's not.

[Diopolis]

If you'd actually read the link, you'd know that all the deaths there didn't come from guns, they came from burning down a building full of women and children.

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

Oh, so you're a fascist.
And not really. Waco is more an example of the dangers of being too unquestioning of authority than it is the dangers of opposing authority.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

Oh, so you're a fascist.
And not really. Waco is more an example of the dangers of being too unquestioning of authority than it is the dangers of opposing authority.

The Waco siege spiralled out of a suspicion of ownership of illegal weapons, and the Branch Davidians' unwillingness to back down against the government. And the suicidal stand they were willing to make, backing their prophet.

Who set fire to the building is actually not even relevant. The situation forms out of events months or years before the building burnt.

[Diopolis]

Oh, so you're a fascist.
And not really. Waco is more an example of the dangers of being too unquestioning of authority than it is the dangers of opposing authority.

The Waco siege spiralled out of a suspicion of ownership of illegal weapons, and the Branch Davidians' unwillingness to back down against the government. And the suicidal stand they were willing to make, backing their prophet.

Who set fire to the building is actually not even relevant. The situation forms out of events months or years before the building burnt.

That's exactly my point. It's an example of the potential dangers of not questioning authority, not the potential dangers of questioning authority. Whether you're talking about government or other authority is irrelevant- the cultists didn't question David Koresh's authority, and so they refused to back down.

[Imperializt Russia]

I do apologise, I latched onto your use of the word "authority" and thought you were implicated the State.

[Jamzmania]

But animals aren't people, and they kill each other for food anyway.

It's basically the same.

In the developed world, it is not necessary to eat meat. Therefore killing animals for food, is senseless killing.

Maybe they prefer meat they've killed themselves to factory meat made out of shit-covered cattle and filled with all kinds of artificial ingredients? There's also the fact that not everyone lives right next door to a grocery store. In Alaska, being a prime example, many people hunt for sustenance.

[The 502nd SS]

It's basically the same.

In the developed world, it is not necessary to eat meat. Therefore killing animals for food, is senseless killing.

Maybe they prefer meat they've killed themselves to factory meat made out of shit-covered cattle and filled with all kinds of artificial ingredients? There's also the fact that not everyone lives right next door to a grocery store. In Alaska, being a prime example, many people hunt for sustenance.

On my farm we hunt hogs and get tasty bacon as a result

[Grinning Dragon]

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

Oh, so you're a fascist.
And not really. Waco is more an example of the dangers of being too unquestioning of authority than it is the dangers of opposing authority.

I agree seems Ardoki sure likes himself some fascism, sprinkled with a touch of eating meat is murder and left to bake at 450 with all the garnishing of forcing a vegetarianism diet with a splash of Ranch Dressing.

Waco was a cluster fuck of epic proportions, as much as I detest/hate/loathe whacked out cults/religions, the feds were at fault on this one as with the same with Ruby Ridge.

[Big Jim P]

Hunting for food DOES have a net benefit. It gives the hunter and family meat for the table, and helps keep the wild animal population in check (which helps the with the health of the rest of the herd, helps prevent auto accidents, helps prevent the spread of diseases like Lyme disease, and helps prevent property damage) .

It does not give a net benefit.

The killing of the animal vastly outweighs the eating of the meat (which isn't even necessary in this day and age).

DGUs outnumber the criminal use or accidental harm from guns. then you add in all the various recreational benefits, and yes, the benefits outweigh the cost by a vast margin. When you compare the number of guns (300+million and rising) and the number of gun owners (100 million), and the ever increasing number of people carrying guns (as witnessed by the ever increasing number of CCW being issued and the ever-increasing number state allowing Constitutional carry or offering CCWs), the number of mis-uses is negligible.

[Big Jim P]

Which is nothing more than making the innocent helpless.

The government will protect them, with the police and military.

The government can't though. Best police response time where I live is 45 minutes. What would you have me do should I have need of defense?

[Diopolis]

The government will protect them, with the police and military.

The government can't though. Best police response time where I live is 45 minutes. What would you have me do should I have need of defense?

Think wishfully?

[Big Jim P]

How?

Killing someone in order to eat a chocolate bar is bad!

You know damn well that is not what is meant.

Just in case you really don't: killing the animal to eat the animal.

[Big Jim P]

The government can't though. Best police response time where I live is 45 minutes. What would you have me do should I have need of defense?

Think wishfully?

No, I think asking any potential attacker to wait till the cops arrive is far more reasonable.

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[Big Jim P]

If you'd actually read the link, you'd know that all the deaths there didn't come from guns, they came from burning down a building full of women and children.

Yes, but the whole point I was going on about, was that the entire gun culture creates an opposition to state authority. Which can be dangerous.

Unopposed and unquestioned state authority is dangerous.

[Big Jim P]

Maybe they prefer meat they've killed themselves to factory meat made out of shit-covered cattle and filled with all kinds of artificial ingredients? There's also the fact that not everyone lives right next door to a grocery store. In Alaska, being a prime example, many people hunt for sustenance.

On my farm we hunt hogs and get tasty bacon as a result

Going to be doing the same in Texas. w00t!