Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Try overthrowing an oppressive government these days... what do I kill the tanks with, my handgun?

Perhaps using the Ultimate Deterrent?

[Eisarn-Ara]

Waitwaitwaitwait; how many of the "Heavy posters" in this thread are europoor/noguns in other countries?

and if the answer is "Yes" or "I am", then why the fuck do you people bitch and complain about laws in a country that isn't even your own?

"America, *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - WHINEYBITCHINGMOANING* GET RID OF YOUR GUNS, REMOVEDAKKA *MOREBITCHINGABOUTAPLACEYOUDON'TEVENLIVEIN*." Honestly, grow up; deal with your own horrific legislation and leave ours the fuck alone. looking at you Tears Morgan, you whineyturd

[Scomagia]

Waitwaitwaitwait; how many of the "Heavy posters" in this thread are europoor/noguns in other countries?

and if the answer is "Yes" or "I am", then why the fuck do you people bitch and complain about laws in a country that isn't even your own?

"America, *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - WHINEYBITCHINGMOANING* GET RID OF YOUR GUNS, REMOVEDAKKA *MOREBITCHINGABOUTAPLACEYOUDON'TEVENLIVEIN*." Honestly, grow up; deal with your own horrific legislation and leave ours the fuck alone. looking at you Tears Morgan, you whineyturd

What a lovely contribution.

[Excidium Planetis]

What truth? Comparing car deaths to gun deaths in the US is completely idiotic.

For one, banning guns wouldn't change all that much in terms of US society. Banning cars would mean that the US economy would grind to a halt. For two, I would love to see a comparison of car deaths versus gun deaths based on hours used rather than as a total figure. I'm willing to bet that the number of cars deaths per hours used would be minuscule compared to gun deaths per hours used.

It's a disingenuous and shitty argument.

*Banning guns wouldn't lead to an outrage*
*People would still be able to effectively defend themselves against armed criminals without a gun*
*Hunters will use bows instead of guns*
*Somehow, despite the overall numbers being greater for cars, guns cause more deaths whenever somebody uses one*
*As the time spent with a gun increases, the probability of going on a killing spree approaches one*

Ban guns...

...more criminals use cars as weapons.

[Grinning Dragon]

Also with such statements, its almost as if they are saying accidental deaths and suicides are tolerable as long as a gun wasn't involved.

Fuck off with trying to put words in my mouth. Thank you.

Fuck off?!?!?! Wow. I mean seriously, did I hit a nerve?
I have seen that claim many times over and you are far from being the first and I didn't intend to make it seem as if I were putting words in your mouth.

[Excidium Planetis]

Actually, the 2nd Amendment was written at a time when America had just overthrown an oppressive monarchy with guns found in homes.

Try overthrowing an oppressive government these days... what do I kill the tanks with, my handgun?

Because Asymmetrical warfare totally hasn't been used to great effect against modern armies.

Modern rebels use AKs and RPGs. That's cheating.

[Fartsniffage]

*As the time spent with a gun increases, the probability of going on a killing spree approaches one*

I realise that you don't understand this, but that little jab actually supports the point I was making. The longer you do something, the greater the chance something bad will happen.

I don't have any figures to support this but would you agree that there are many more hours spent by people driving cars in the US than using firearms? I mean, it seems logical to me given that less than half of American households own a gun yet car ownership is pretty ubiquitous.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Waitwaitwaitwait; how many of the "Heavy posters" in this thread are europoor/noguns in other countries?

and if the answer is "Yes" or "I am", then why the fuck do you people bitch and complain about laws in a country that isn't even your own?

"America, *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - WHINEYBITCHINGMOANING* GET RID OF YOUR GUNS, REMOVEDAKKA *MOREBITCHINGABOUTAPLACEYOUDON'TEVENLIVEIN*." Honestly, grow up; deal with your own horrific legislation and leave ours the fuck alone. looking at you Tears Morgan, you whineyturd

Because people are allowed to have opinions about what goes on in other nations, and sometimes have perspectives that are harder to come by when you're as close to the situation as we are. In fact, whether I agree with them or not, nearly every single opinion posted in this thread on either side of the issue has been more valuable than everything contained in your post, here.

[Republic of Mezoamerican States]

This would require a constitutional amendment. To get one would require 2/3 of all states to ratify. That means you need to get either Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Nevada, Arizona, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee or Texas to agree.

Good luck in Jackson.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

*As the time spent with a gun increases, the probability of going on a killing spree approaches one*

I realise that you don't understand this, but that little jab actually supports the point I was making. The longer you do something, the greater the chance something bad will happen.

I don't have any figures to support this but would you agree that there are many more hours spent by people driving cars in the US than using firearms? I mean, it seems logical to me given that less than half of American households own a gun yet car ownership is pretty ubiquitous.

Logically, yes, accidents are more likely to occur when something is done more often. But murders aren't accidents; they are deliberate actions. Intentional actions tend to ignore probability.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Waitwaitwaitwait; how many of the "Heavy posters" in this thread are europoor/noguns in other countries?

and if the answer is "Yes" or "I am", then why the fuck do you people bitch and complain about laws in a country that isn't even your own?

"America, *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH - WHINEYBITCHINGMOANING* GET RID OF YOUR GUNS, REMOVEDAKKA *MOREBITCHINGABOUTAPLACEYOUDON'TEVENLIVEIN*." Honestly, grow up; deal with your own horrific legislation and leave ours the fuck alone. looking at you Tears Morgan, you whineyturd

Because people are allowed to have opinions about what goes on in other nations, and sometimes have perspectives that are harder to come by when you're as close to the situation as we are. In fact, whether I agree with them or not, nearly every single opinion posted in this thread on either side of the issue has been more valuable than everything contained in your post, here.

Blimey m8, you seem to be rather booty-bothered about this; your not an american are you?

[Gun Manufacturers]

This would require a constitutional amendment. To get one would require 2/3 of all states to ratify. That means you need to get either Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Nevada, Arizona, Arkansas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee or Texas to agree.

Good luck in Jackson.

It's 2/3 of CONGRESS, it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment.

[Fartsniffage]

I realise that you don't understand this, but that little jab actually supports the point I was making. The longer you do something, the greater the chance something bad will happen.

I don't have any figures to support this but would you agree that there are many more hours spent by people driving cars in the US than using firearms? I mean, it seems logical to me given that less than half of American households own a gun yet car ownership is pretty ubiquitous.

Logically, yes, accidents are more likely to occur when something is done more often. But murders aren't accidents; they are deliberate actions. Intentional actions tend to ignore probability.

So what you should be doing is comparing gun murders with intentional car murders? Right?

Or you could just admit that the comparison is bloody stupid and move on. Your call.

[Sevvania]

Because Asymmetrical warfare totally hasn't been used to great effect against modern armies.

Modern rebels use AKs and RPGs. That's cheating.

Semi-automatic AKs are legal in the US. RPGs as well, iirc, but actual warheads are heavily taxed/regulated.

Blimey m8, you seem to be rather booty-bothered about this; your not an american are you?

I'm American, and he seems to have a point. You didn't really contribute anything, you just told people to grow up and go away.

[Big Jim P]

About 600 in 2011. Compared to 300+million guns and 100+ million gun owners.

How many suicides?

About 19,000. going by memory, I don't have the source open ATM.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Logically, yes, accidents are more likely to occur when something is done more often. But murders aren't accidents; they are deliberate actions. Intentional actions tend to ignore probability.

So what you should be doing is comparing gun murders with intentional car murders? Right?

Or you could just admit that the comparison is bloody stupid and move on. Your call.

Or compare gun accidents to car accidents. In which case it's skewed even more towards cars.

And another point, now that you mention it:cars cause more accidents unintentionally than guns do intentionally. Logically, cars are still more dangerous.

[Big Jim P]

Logically, yes, accidents are more likely to occur when something is done more often. But murders aren't accidents; they are deliberate actions. Intentional actions tend to ignore probability.

So what you should be doing is comparing gun murders with intentional car murders? Right?

Or you could just admit that the comparison is bloody stupid and move on. Your call.

Cars are also used in suicides, and cause accidental deaths.

Comparing accidental death by cars to accidental deaths by gunfire is legitimate. Suicides compared to suicides as well.

[Fartsniffage]

So what you should be doing is comparing gun murders with intentional car murders? Right?

Or you could just admit that the comparison is bloody stupid and move on. Your call.

Or compare gun accidents to car accidents. In which case it's skewed even more towards cars.

And another point, now that you mention it:cars cause more accidents unintentionally than guns do intentionally. Logically, cars are still more dangerous.

Again, only if you compare them hour for hour.

[Big Jim P]

Or compare gun accidents to car accidents. In which case it's skewed even more towards cars.

And another point, now that you mention it:cars cause more accidents unintentionally than guns do intentionally. Logically, cars are still more dangerous.

Again, only if you compare them hour for hour.

Since they are "designed only to kill", then you would have to compare every hour of a gun being carried or otherwise not locked up. That is their primary use.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Or compare gun accidents to car accidents. In which case it's skewed even more towards cars.

And another point, now that you mention it:cars cause more accidents unintentionally than guns do intentionally. Logically, cars are still more dangerous.

Again, only if you compare them hour for hour.

Why?

[Eisarn-Ara]

I'm American, and he seems to have a point. You didn't really contribute anything, you just told people to grow up and go away.

What? We have a bunch of hypocritical noguns/europoor that bitch whine and moan, making an enormous deal about political cuckery that isn't even theirs to deal with. Honestly, it's just silly; look at Tears Morgan for a good example.

[Big Jim P]

I'm American, and he seems to have a point. You didn't really contribute anything, you just told people to grow up and go away.

What? We have a bunch of hypocritical noguns/europoor that bitch whine and moan, making an enormous deal about political cuckery that isn't even theirs to deal with. Honestly, it's just silly; look at Tears Morgan for a good example.

Their opinions are legit, but being non-Americans, their opinions can safely be ignored.

[Fartsniffage]

So what you should be doing is comparing gun murders with intentional car murders? Right?

Or you could just admit that the comparison is bloody stupid and move on. Your call.

Cars are also used in suicides, and cause accidental deaths.

Comparing accidental death by cars to accidental deaths by gunfire is legitimate. Suicides compared to suicides as well.

I'm fine with that. But I know that you understand statistics better then just comparing the total number.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because people are allowed to have opinions about what goes on in other nations, and sometimes have perspectives that are harder to come by when you're as close to the situation as we are. In fact, whether I agree with them or not, nearly every single opinion posted in this thread on either side of the issue has been more valuable than everything contained in your post, here.

Blimey m8, you seem to be rather booty-bothered about this; your not an american are you?

As American as this.

[Fartsniffage]

Again, only if you compare them hour for hour.

Since they are "designed only to kill", then you would have to compare every hour of a gun being carried or otherwise not locked up. That is their primary use.

Not locked up doesn't make that much sense as cars are frequently just left parked up. But being carried I would happily accept.