Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control

[Lordaguard]

It should be reformed, not repealed. Make mental and criminal evaluations mandatory for all who wish to purchase a handgun and or shotgun. Also ban assault rifles, and only allow for legally owned handguns to be taken outside (not on school property). Also shotguns should be strictly for defense of life, property, family, and community within ones own property and must be on a high elevation rack to prevent child apprehension of the weaponry (inspection of weapons position will occur regularly twice a month no warrant as agreed to). Also put police and security in and outside of schools, their no need for a complete repeal just reform like this, perfectly balances freedom and safety just like we do with freedom of speech.

[Sevvania]

It's a good thing America has regulations on guns, then. o:

LOL, you call those regulations? They're half-ass at best..

But you said unregulated firearms. "Halfway" regulate firearms aren't unregulated. Things seem to be working out, since gun crime, and violent crime in general, has been on the decline for decades, even after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

[New Tsavon]

So you can't defend your double standard?

I thought as much.

Nope, you're trying make apples = oranges when it came to the issue of cars and guns.

You say that, but cars kill far more people each year than firearms.

Should we ban cars instead?

LOL, you call those regulations? They're half-ass at best. Obama has gotten an F on gun control yet he's demonized for wanting to take their guns.

They're still regulations, are they not?

Also, Obama not passing any gun control acts is probably more a sign of the majority of Americans not wanting gun control than anything else.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So you can't defend your double standard?

I thought as much.

Nope, you're trying make apples = oranges when it came to the issue of cars and guns.

Both kill people, what makes one worse than the other? It's also worth noting more people die in the US per year because of cars.

[Sevvania]

Also ban assault rifles, and only allow for legally owned handguns to be taken outside (not on school property). Also shotgun see strictly for defense of home and must be on a high elevation rack to prevent child apprehension of the weaponry.

Assault rifles (like an M16) are fully-automatic and are already heavily regulated. Guns like the AR-15 are not fully-automatic, and are not assault rifles.

I think it's already illegal to carry around a handgun that isn't legally owned.

Just putting a shotgun in a high place isn't a great way of keeping children from getting to it.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Nope, you're trying make apples = oranges when it came to the issue of cars and guns.

You say that, but cars kill far more people each year than firearms.

Should we ban cars instead?

Both kill people, what makes one worse than the other? It's also worth noting more people die in the US per year because of cars.

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact. And besides, I'm not advocating bans, I'm advocating reforms, there's a big difference.

LOL, you call those regulations? They're half-ass at best. Obama has gotten an F on gun control yet he's demonized for wanting to take their guns.

They're still regulations, are they not?

Not even close. You think the NRA didn't have any meddling when gun control legislation was being passed? You think they wouldn't go to the effort of watering down its effectiveness? Please tell me you know what really goes on in Congress.

[Grinning Dragon]

So you can't defend your double standard?

I thought as much.

Nope, you're trying make apples = oranges when it came to the issue of cars and guns.

It's a good thing America has regulations on guns, then. o:

LOL, you call those regulations? They're half-ass at best. Obama has gotten an F on gun control yet he's demonized for wanting to take their guns.

Seriously a grade on a constitutional right? A fucking grade? So now we place grades on what rights get infringed upon and those with less infringements get lower grades?

[Asyir]

No. Don't ever repeal the second amendment. Don't ever allow a government to disarm its populace.

However, I believe to minimize the risk of a gun ending up in the wrong hands, we should do background checks in purchases with Semi-Autos, Handguns, and Full-Autos. Bolt actions should be fine without a background check. I do still believe that gun safety be mandatory, and be taught in school, much like drivers ed.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Seriously a grade on a constitutional right? A fucking grade? So now we place grades on what rights get infringed upon and those with less infringements get lower grades?

Nope, it's a grade on gun control. But if you wanna take your beef with the Brady Gun Control Group, then by all means go right ahead.

[Paddy O Fernature]

No. Don't ever repeal the second amendment. Don't ever allow a government to disarm its populace.

However, I believe to minimize the risk of a gun ending up in the wrong hands, we should do background checks in purchases with Semi-Autos, Handguns, and Full-Autos. Bolt actions should be fine without a background check. I do still believe that gun safety be mandatory, and be taught in school, much like drivers ed.

Background checks already exist, so not really following what you want here.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You say that, but cars kill far more people each year than firearms.

Should we ban cars instead?

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact. And besides, I'm not advocating bans, I'm advocating reforms, there's a big difference.

LOL, you call those regulations? They're half-ass at best. Obama has gotten an F on gun control yet he's demonized for wanting to take their guns.

They're still regulations, are they not?

Not even close. You think the NRA didn't have any meddling when gun control legislation was being passed? You think they wouldn't go to the effort of watering down its effectiveness? Please tell me you know what really goes on in Congress.

What about the other thirty six states?

[Asyir]

No. Don't ever repeal the second amendment. Don't ever allow a government to disarm its populace.

However, I believe to minimize the risk of a gun ending up in the wrong hands, we should do background checks in purchases with Semi-Autos, Handguns, and Full-Autos. Bolt actions should be fine without a background check. I do still believe that gun safety be mandatory, and be taught in school, much like drivers ed.

Background checks already exist, so not really following what you want here.

Not in my state. It's only for handguns. I think.

[Grinning Dragon]

Seriously a grade on a constitutional right? A fucking grade? So now we place grades on what rights get infringed upon and those with less infringements get lower grades?

Nope, it's a grade on gun control. But if you wanna take your beef with the Brady Gun Control Group, then by all means go right ahead.

Well that explains everything, the feckless brady bunch clinging to relevancy.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Background checks already exist, so not really following what you want here.

Not in my state. It's only for handguns. I think.

It's Federal Law that all FFL transfers go through the NICS, which is a background check.

[Sevvania]

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact.

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

What about the other thirty six states?

And what about them? If you're concern the numbers might go down by 35, then 34, perhaps they will as long as no genuine reform comes along. But then you'd probably have to wait until the 28th Amendment (if and when) it passes, then real reforms can actually pass for once.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact.

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

And what makes you think that at the rate gun control is going, you may not expect to see those numbers reciprocate? This is a trend that can potentially grow unless actually stopped.

[Asyir]

Not in my state. It's only for handguns. I think.

It's Federal Law that all FFL transfers go through the NICS, which is a background check.

I poorly implied to all transactions, including private transactions. Apologies.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What about the other thirty six states?

And what about them? If you're concern the numbers might go down by 35, then 34, perhaps they will as long as no genuine reform comes along. But then you'd probably have to wait until the 28th Amendment (if and when) it passes, then real reforms can actually pass for once.

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact.

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

And thus, the truth comes out.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

And what makes you think that at the rate gun control is going, you may not expect to see those numbers reciprocate? This is a trend that can potentially grow unless actually stopped.

Maybe it's the fact that gun crime (and crime in general) has been on a steady decline?

[United Prefectures of Appia]

And thus, the truth comes out.

For now...

[New Tsavon]

LOL sorry to bust your bubbles, but cars no longer kill more people than guns. 14 states have guns deaths surpassing those from cars. It's a fact. And besides, I'm not advocating bans, I'm advocating reforms, there's a big difference.

Do you have any source for these claims?

Anyways, your proposed "reforms" sound a lot like outright bans, so pardon me for getting them confused.

Not even close. You think the NRA didn't have any meddling when gun control legislation was being passed? You think they wouldn't go to the effort of watering down its effectiveness? Please tell me you know what really goes on in Congress.

That's hilarious, because until 1977 or so, the NRA supported gun control.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here.

[Paddy O Fernature]

It's Federal Law that all FFL transfers go through the NICS, which is a background check.

I poorly implied to all transactions, including private transactions. Apologies.

Ah, no worries.

That being said, I believe that private sales should be just that until an actual compromise can be reached that benefits both sides.

[Sevvania]

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

And what makes you think that at the rate gun control is going, you may not expect to see those numbers reciprocate? This is a trend that can potentially grow unless actually stopped.

Gun control regulations have actually loosened up a bit, since the expiration of the FAWB. As I mentioned previously, gun violence has been on a steady decline despite this. It had been on the decline before the FAWB went into effect, continued to decline while it was in effect, and kept on declining after it expired, which seems to indicate that there's not a big correlation between these types of gun control and violent crime.

I don't see why you're worried about trends when the trend shows that there's less gun crime now than there was ten years ago.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I find that "fact" hard to believe, considering the FBI states that there were ~12,000 total gun homicides in 2011, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says there were ~29,000 fatal car crashes in the same year.

And what makes you think that at the rate gun control is going, you may not expect to see those numbers reciprocate? This is a trend that can potentially grow unless actually stopped.

If twenty-thousand people randomly go insane and decide to kill people, then we need to do something about the new madness virus, not guns.

And thus, the truth comes out.

For now...

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