Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control

[Vitaphone Racing]

Life is definitely worth more than your DVD player. Especially if you have insurance.

Notice there central thing was "Get on the ground or I shoot" they are offering the teenager the chance to surrender. If he doesn't surrender what should they do?

If he flees, regardless of what he's holding, nothing.
If he inexplicably turns and runs at you, you do what you have to.

Isn't this obvious?

[Spirit of Hope]

I don't want them taking anything, how about get on the ground or I spread you there if they don't then guess what they done did fuck up.

Because a: I'm not a cop. I can't dispense force just because they are noncompliant, and b: I have a partner, a family, and a virgin butthole to consider. I can't afford to be chucked into prison because of a small mistake that a jury doesn't consider acceptable, no matter how the situation presented itself to me.

Actually you can carry out a citizens arrest. Specifically you can place someone under arrest if you catch them in the commission of a felony, and you have the ability to use appropriate force to hold them in that position. Now the question becomes complicated if they decide to not get arrested and you shoot them, but if you gave them the chance to surrender you are pretty safe.

If they are running away, I wouldn't shoot. I doubt most people in here would shoot either.

[Spirit of Hope]

Notice there central thing was "Get on the ground or I shoot" they are offering the teenager the chance to surrender. If he doesn't surrender what should they do?

If he flees, regardless of what he's holding, nothing.
If he inexplicably turns and runs at you, you do what you have to.

Isn't this obvious?

So you are agreeing with their position?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Notice there central thing was "Get on the ground or I shoot" they are offering the teenager the chance to surrender. If he doesn't surrender what should they do?

If he flees, regardless of what he's holding, nothing.
If he inexplicably turns and runs at you, you do what you have to.

Isn't this obvious?

That is essentially way we have been saying the entire time.

[Vitaphone Racing]

If he flees, regardless of what he's holding, nothing.
If he inexplicably turns and runs at you, you do what you have to.

Isn't this obvious?

So you are agreeing with their position?

Seeing as you can't get on the ground and run away at the same time, I seem to be on a different wavelength.

[Spirit of Hope]

So you are agreeing with their position?

Seeing as you can't get on the ground and run away at the same time, I seem to be on a different wavelength.

They have all said if he runs away they aren't shooting, and if gets on the ground they aren't shooting. It is only if he remains, or comes at them that they start shooting.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Seeing as you can't get on the ground and run away at the same time, I seem to be on a different wavelength.

They have all said if he runs away they aren't shooting, and if gets on the ground they aren't shooting. It is only if he remains, or comes at them that they start shooting.

They all? I've counted three including you.

[Chernoslavia]

Definitely this. Vitaphone however would probably say something like ''you should get out of the house and let him take everything, becuz life is sooo precious!''

Life is definitely worth more than your DVD player. Especially if you have insurance.

Or instead of letting him/her take my shit, I tell him to get on the ground then I call police and wait for their arrival.

And I noticed what you said about being more ''worthy'' to own a gun. Let me tell you something, people like you don't even know how to properly handle firearms. I have personally came across someone with the almost the same mindset as you on an outdoor range talking about how everyone but him should be restricted from owning a gun. He picked off an unloaded shotgun from the rack and tried to hold it properly and he had the mizzle pointed directly at me. If there is anyone that should not have a gun in this forum, it's probably you.

[Sevvania]

Seeing as you can't get on the ground and run away at the same time, I seem to be on a different wavelength.

They have all said if he runs away they aren't shooting, and if gets on the ground they aren't shooting. It is only if he remains, or comes at them that they start shooting.

And I've always been under the impression that you can't legally shoot someone in the back (i.e. if they're running away), even if they've broken into your home.

If there is anyone that should not have a gun in this forum, it's probably you.

I don't see any point in trying to make uneducated assumptions about who on this forum (i.e. people that none of us personally know) should or should no be allowed to own a gun

[Vitaphone Racing]

Life is definitely worth more than your DVD player. Especially if you have insurance.

Or instead of letting him/her take my shit, I tell him to get on the ground then I call police and wait for their arrival.

And I noticed what you said about being more ''worthy'' to own a gun. Let me tell you something, people like you don't even know how to properly handle firearms. I have personally came across someone with the almost the same mindset as you on an outdoor range talking about how everyone but him should be restricted from owning a gun. He picked off an unloaded shotgun from the rack and tried to hold it properly and he had the mizzle pointed directly at me. If there is anyone that should not have a gun in this forum, it's probably you.

[Vitaphone Racing]

They have all said if he runs away they aren't shooting, and if gets on the ground they aren't shooting. It is only if he remains, or comes at them that they start shooting.

And I've always been under the impression that you can't legally shoot someone in the back (i.e. if they're running away), even if they've broken into your home.

You can't. Unfortunately, it still happens.

[Spirit of Hope]

They have all said if he runs away they aren't shooting, and if gets on the ground they aren't shooting. It is only if he remains, or comes at them that they start shooting.

They all? I've counted three including you.

Has anyone here said "just shoot them?"

[Kernen]

Because a: I'm not a cop. I can't dispense force just because they are noncompliant, and b: I have a partner, a family, and a virgin butthole to consider. I can't afford to be chucked into prison because of a small mistake that a jury doesn't consider acceptable, no matter how the situation presented itself to me.

Self defense it was dark I saw him suddenly reach into his pocket and I swore he was going to kill me. As long as you don't have a violent record most juries will not throw you in jail if you believe your life is in danger. To quote Ice Cube (poor example I know) "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

That isn't true at all. And I won't lie to a jury, if only because getting caught is worse.

Not shoot until they are a threat to your life. You cannot shoot them for being noncompliant but unthreatening, like when they're running away.

I agree we can't shoot them willy nilly but if they don't vacate I'm going to chase him around the house waving a shotgun.

And that's all you'll be able to do without causing more trouble.

Because a: I'm not a cop. I can't dispense force just because they are noncompliant, and b: I have a partner, a family, and a virgin butthole to consider. I can't afford to be chucked into prison because of a small mistake that a jury doesn't consider acceptable, no matter how the situation presented itself to me.

Actually you can carry out a citizens arrest. Specifically you can place someone under arrest if you catch them in the commission of a felony, and you have the ability to use appropriate force to hold them in that position. Now the question becomes complicated if they decide to not get arrested and you shoot them, but if you gave them the chance to surrender you are pretty safe.

If they are running away, I wouldn't shoot. I doubt most people in here would shoot either.

That gets dicey. How much force is appropriate for an untrained private citizen? How much will the jury consider? How much risk is there of me getting surprised by the guy? Or his buddy that I didn't see? I'm not moving from my safe position to clear the house unless I have to.

[Vitaphone Racing]

They all? I've counted three including you.

Has anyone here said "just shoot them?"

I've counted two so far.

[Sevvania]

Has anyone here said "just shoot them?"

I've counted two so far.

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

[Spirit of Hope]

Has anyone here said "just shoot them?"

I've counted two so far.

Quotes? This discussion is going fast I must have missed them.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I've counted two so far.

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

It's sad that 33% of potential gun owners think that way on the forum, isn't it?

[Prezelly]

I've counted two so far.

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

I'll offer my stance, shoot to wound if they run so that they get arrested, assuming they committed a crime of course. If they surrender call the police and hold them till police arrive, if they attack shoot to kill

[Spirit of Hope]

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

It's sad that 33% of potential gun owners think that way on the forum, isn't it?

Going through the last couple of pages I have only found one person who holds no need for surrender.

[Vitaphone Racing]

It's sad that 33% of potential gun owners think that way on the forum, isn't it?

Going through the last couple of pages I have only found one person who holds no need for surrender.

Yeah let's go with one, the other guy seemed to have mellowed a bit at the end of page 31.

[Korva]

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

I'll offer my stance, shoot to wound

lol what

how do you even do this?

[Sevvania]

Two people (who may or may not even own guns) say "just shoot them," while four people have said that you shouldn't shoot if the individual in question is on the ground or running away.

It's sad that 33% of potential gun owners think that way on the forum, isn't it?

Potentially 33% (of a very limited sample) of potential gun owners (or just random kids on the internet who found a gun-related thread) could hardly be considered a scientific study.

[Wallenburg]

That's a big chunk of your side. Reconsider that statement. But yes, a minority should not be taken to represent a majority.
Just as the handful of total ban advocates does not represent the large swath of America in favor of mild regulation.

[Vitaphone Racing]

It's sad that 33% of potential gun owners think that way on the forum, isn't it?

Potentially 33% (of a very limited sample) of potential gun owners (or just random kids on the internet who found a gun-related thread) could hardly be considered a scientific study.

I'm not making assumptions of figures for the wider community, I'm making assumptions about the forum. I can only hope. In all seriousness, gun owners on these forums are seriously under-represented by the typical pro-gun crowd.

[Prezelly]

I'll offer my stance, shoot to wound

lol what

how do you even do this?

How do you shoot to wound? Is that what you are asking