Well it does, in a way, because it's the premise behind the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction.
But nuclear war is neither here nor there when it comes to the Second Amendment.
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by Sevvania » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:23 pm
by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:24 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Well, the Supreme Court is 4 biased liberals and 5 biased conservatives. Guess who decided that gun rights apply to all citizens. While I recognize a liberal majority would have completely annihilated the amendment, that doesn't make dinosaur logic acceptable.
I know the Court's decision. They are wrong. The Republican majority decided to fail their duty as justices to interpret the Constitution without bias, and rather help out their pals in Congress.
The Court's purpose has been abandoned.
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by Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:25 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Really Roski, Besko? You haven't done anything to straw man me? Because it looks more like every other post against me is a straw man or ad hominem.
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by Kernen » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:26 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Really Roski, Besko? You haven't done anything to straw man me? Because it looks more like every other post against me is a straw man or ad hominem.
by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:29 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Like hell nuclear warheads preserved peace! Their proliferation nearly ended the human race before you were even born. Don't give that kind of shit. You may think gun control advocates are fools, but remember that they are the ones learning at the top schools while Farmer Joe (by no fault of his own) can't send his kids to high school.
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.
by Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:30 pm
Kernen wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Really Roski, Besko? You haven't done anything to straw man me? Because it looks more like every other post against me is a straw man or ad hominem.
They mostly just showed how your disagreement with the SCOTUS was juvenile and your conflation of private ownership to nuclear proliferation is wrong.
I own several firearms, most of them military pattern semi-automatics. I'm not a menace to society. Not since I was in high school...
Dante Alighieri wrote:There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Grinning Dragon » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:33 pm
Gun Manufacturers wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Like hell nuclear warheads preserved peace! Their proliferation nearly ended the human race before you were even born. Don't give that kind of shit. You may think gun control advocates are fools, but remember that they are the ones learning at the top schools while Farmer Joe (by no fault of his own) can't send his kids to high school.
Why wouldn't ANYONE be able to send their children to high school? Public school is paid for by taxes, so it's not a matter of being poor.
Also, there's videos online of gun control advocates saying some pretty stupid things regarding firearms. Ghost guns, the shoulder thing that goes up, magazines being ammunition, etc.
by Ziegenhain » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:41 pm
Gun Manufacturers wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Like hell nuclear warheads preserved peace! Their proliferation nearly ended the human race before you were even born. Don't give that kind of shit. You may think gun control advocates are fools, but remember that they are the ones learning at the top schools while Farmer Joe (by no fault of his own) can't send his kids to high school.
Why wouldn't ANYONE be able to send their children to high school? Public school is paid for by taxes, so it's not a matter of being poor.
Also, there's videos online of gun control advocates saying some pretty stupid things regarding firearms. Ghost guns, the shoulder thing that goes up, magazines being ammunition, etc.
by Wallenburg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:51 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:22 pm
Wallenburg wrote:And what was your image of the gun control advocate?
Oh yeah, a shaggy guy in baggy, multicolored clothes, smoking pot, and carrying a peace sign.
Yeah, you're really hitting the mark on accurate depiction of your opponent.
This is typical of people who refuse logic. Demand the opponent respects their image entirely, down to the minutiae, and then set up a straw man against those same opponents.
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:30 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Listen to Sambka. You won't even consider my argument. I tried reasoning with you, but illogical attacks have caused this thread to devolve into name-calling on both sides. Why don't we all calm down and think of compromise. Both sides know they won't get exactly what they want. We're just pissing each other off. Try to maintain civility. From now on, I will ignore all previous posts regardless of how insulting they are.
I hope not only I but my allies AND my enemies will think before posting.
And while you may further insult me for this last tidbit, I pride myself knowing that, despite my apparent record of ranting and logical fallacy, I had the stronger capacity to rise above the brutish, primal infighting and hope for a return to real debate.
We can all think before we type. Either that or the aspirin is finally kicking in.
by Galloism » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:30 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Listen to Sambka. You won't even consider my argument.
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:31 pm
Galloism wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Listen to Sambka. You won't even consider my argument.
When you make one, I will be more than happy to consider it.
However, it needs to be clear, concise, utilizing sufficiently coherent grammar so as to be understandable to the average person, and, perhaps most importantly, contain sufficiently coherent logical steps so as to constitute an actual argument that can be examined, dissected, questioned, and either be accepted, or rebutted.
Otherwise, it's hard to "consider" it, and perhaps just as difficult to appropriately label it as an "argument".
by Galloism » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:33 pm
Scomagia wrote:Galloism wrote:When you make one, I will be more than happy to consider it.
However, it needs to be clear, concise, utilizing sufficiently coherent grammar so as to be understandable to the average person, and, perhaps most importantly, contain sufficiently coherent logical steps so as to constitute an actual argument that can be examined, dissected, questioned, and either be accepted, or rebutted.
Otherwise, it's hard to "consider" it, and perhaps just as difficult to appropriately label it as an "argument".
Don't forget actually replying to rebuttals. It's pretty important and he hasn't been doing so thus far, just moving from one inane post to another.
by Olthar » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:41 pm
by Wallenburg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:42 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:44 pm
Wallenburg wrote:I'm disappointed you prefer hostility and self contradiction to logic.
In your argument, you overgeneralized by claiming I am the only one here making generalizations. Clearly after over 600 posts, someone else has done the same. You and I are both guilty. Who has done this more, I am unsure. But it is indefensible that I am the only one to overgeneralize on this thread.
Also, I cannot believe that someone would just happen to match a detailed stereotype of their opponent made in the same discussion they are taking part in, AND say nothing against it when it associates their image with a rival ideology. You may be telling the truth, but the probability is astronomical.
Press Reply to try again.
by Sevvania » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:45 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Press Reply to try again.
by Wallenburg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:55 pm
by Scomagia » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:57 pm
Sevvania wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Press Reply to try again.
Please rise above the brutishly primal infighting so that we may return to the debate of whether or not the Second Amendment should be repealed. I don't think it should be, because violent crime, including gun crime, has been on the decline for decades, even after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. "Assault weapons" are the least likely to be used in a gun crim, and gun control efforts such as those implemented in Australia have been proven to have had little or no effect on crime by multiple studies.
by Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:58 pm
Scomagia wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Listen to Sambka. You won't even consider my argument. I tried reasoning with you, but illogical attacks have caused this thread to devolve into name-calling on both sides. Why don't we all calm down and think of compromise. Both sides know they won't get exactly what they want. We're just pissing each other off. Try to maintain civility. From now on, I will ignore all previous posts regardless of how insulting they are.
I hope not only I but my allies AND my enemies will think before posting.
And while you may further insult me for this last tidbit, I pride myself knowing that, despite my apparent record of ranting and logical fallacy, I had the stronger capacity to rise above the brutish, primal infighting and hope for a return to real debate.
We can all think before we type. Either that or the aspirin is finally kicking in.
The only person I can think of in this thread that has acted illogically and been genuinely uncivil is you. Were you ever of the mind to participate in a real debate, you've yet to demonstrate it.
Dante Alighieri wrote:There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Wallenburg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:59 pm
by Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:01 pm
Sevvania wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Press Reply to try again.
Please rise above the brutishly primal infighting so that we may return to the debate of whether or not the Second Amendment should be repealed. I don't think it should be, because violent crime, including gun crime, has been on the decline for decades, even after the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. "Assault weapons" are the least likely to be used in a gun crim, and gun control efforts such as those implemented in Australia have been proven to have had little or no effect on crime by multiple studies.
Dante Alighieri wrote:There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
by Wallenburg » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:03 pm
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