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Which best describes your beliefs?

My species is inherently superior and other species do not matter unless they are useful to us.
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My species is inherently superior, but other species are valuable too.
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Some other species are equal to mine, but not all living things are equal.
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All living things are equal, but I still give some preferential treatment because they are close to me.
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NO MORE DISCRIMINATION!!! BACTERIA ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!
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This thread is making my eyes bleed. I think it is contaminated with Ebola.
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Postby -Ebola- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:42 am

Greetings all ye who draw breath, all ye who are undead, and all ye who are using NSG to take your Turing tests.

Since I discovered the internet, I have encountered many people who claim that human beings are superior to other living things. They say that humans are "more successful" or "more advanced" than any other species. But that all depends on your definition of "successful" or "advanced." As much as I would like not to insult the majority of NSG's user base, I prefer bats over humans. Bats are awesome! But that is just my preference. I don't believe that any species is inherently superior to any other. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Some of you may think the idea of equality between species is problematic because of course it is only natural for us to treat our own species differently than we treat others. Just about every living thing, with only a few exceptions, exploits other species for its survival. As different as humans and Ebola are, we are the same in this. Neither of our species has the ability to survive without using others. So how do I justify infecting animals and destroying their cells if I believe that all living things are equal?

Well, the way we treat others is influenced by more than just ideas of biological superiority. Many people preach that all men are created equal, but does that mean you won't pick and choose who is allowed to live in your house and eat out of your fridge? If you believe that all human lives have equal intrinsic value, does that mean you care about a stranger as much as you care about your friends and family? Even if all people are equal, it is still possible for you to have more of a personal attachment to some than you do to others. This is how I see all living things. None of them is truly superior or inferior, and no species is more or less valuable than any other. There are just some that I am more attached to. I understand that others will not always have the same preferences that I do.

So what do you think? Do you believe that some species are inherently better or more valuable than others? Are you hoping for someone to invent synthetic food so that you can stop exploiting plants and animals? How do you feel about predators, scavengers, and parasites that exploit your species? Do you believe they are evil or do you believe it is not their fault that they were born into that way of life?
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Postby The Risen Jaguar Warriors » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:47 am

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Postby Rustian » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:49 am

" This thread is making my eyes bleed. I think it is contaminated with Ebola. "

Yes.
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Postby -Ebola- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:50 am

Rustian wrote:" This thread is making my eyes bleed. I think it is contaminated with Ebola. "

Yes.


Sorry. :(
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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:55 am

Humanity is supreme.

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Postby Aenglium » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:56 am

Is this a question regarding objectivity or subjectivity?
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Postby -Ebola- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:07 am

Aenglium wrote:Is this a question regarding objectivity or subjectivity?


A little of both. I'd be interested in whether you believe some species are objectively superior to others, but then also whether you subjectively prefer some over others. There is more than one question you can answer.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:07 am

I'm not really concerned about the whole supposed "exploitation of animals," since they kill one another out in the wild. Considering we feed and shelter a good deal of them, seems only natural we get something out of the deal. Not really a matter of "superior" or "inferior."

Although I do have moments of genuine sympathy for the chicken I'm eating.

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:10 am

We must wipe the Earth from the genetically unclean. We must cleanse all Non-Humans so that only the purity of Humanity is secured.

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Postby -Ebola- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:13 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:We must wipe the Earth from the genetically unclean. We must cleanse all Non-Humans so that only the purity of Humanity is secured.

Suffer not the virus live!


Ugh... Someone quarantine this post before it starts a hate outbreak.
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Postby Nortrom » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:15 am

The biological hierarchy goes like this

Humans > Warped human heretics > Xenos > Animals > Plants > OP and other microorganisms
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Postby Uawc » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:17 am

Concepts such as advancement and superiority are rather subjective, aren't they? We use technology because our bodies suck and our brains compensate. The senses and physical capabilities of many animals are far superior to our own. Many animals have even been shown to feel, to remember, to educate their young. I think it's incredibly arrogant and ignorant to claim superiority.

There are many organisms that we don't properly understand and many that are yet undiscovered. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch.

And if we choose to think outside the box, we can find many ways in which animals are superior for many things. For instance, no woman I've ever dated has welcomed me home from work like my dog does on a daily basis. But then, I don't like people anyway. If I had to save my dog or a person from a burning building, I'd choose my dog.

tl;dr It's all subjective, anyone who says humans are objectively superior does so out of arrogance and ignorance, and I like animals more than people.
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Postby -Ebola- » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:23 am

UAWC wrote:Concepts such as advancement and superiority are rather subjective, aren't they? We use technology because our bodies suck and our brains compensate.


And then there are those of us who have hundreds or thousands of offspring because our bodies suck and we don't have brains to compensate... I think it was Stalin who said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." :?
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:26 am

I still don't get it. Why is it that evolution resulted in incest being a lot more dangerous in the evolved species?

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Postby Uawc » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:54 am

-Ebola- wrote:
UAWC wrote:Concepts such as advancement and superiority are rather subjective, aren't they? We use technology because our bodies suck and our brains compensate.


And then there are those of us who have hundreds or thousands of offspring because our bodies suck and we don't have brains to compensate... I think it was Stalin who said, "Quantity has a quality all its own." :?


They don't curl over and die because they can't support their own existence. Animals of those kinds tend to have some very serious predators, so evolution has decided that quantity is the best way to keep the species alive.
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:55 am

I like Protozoa, they make hydrology fun and of course bacteria are essential to life - unlike viruses which are just parasites and really aren't even life (yes Ebola we've had this conversation before).

Anyway if prokaryotes have value due to being essential to life and biological processes on this planet then I'm not about the dismiss my Eukryote brethren. Protozoa as stated and indeed all of the huge diversity of multicellular organisms which help add to the glorious tapestry of life.

I agree with your sentimentm my family (including its non-human members) is the most important group of organisms in my world but that does preclude other organisms having value too

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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:54 am

Gigaverse wrote:I still don't get it. Why is it that evolution resulted in incest being a lot more dangerous in the evolved species?

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Postby Margno » Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:56 am

Yeah, Ebola, I'm superior to you. Eukaryote power.
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:12 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:I still don't get it. Why is it that evolution resulted in incest being a lot more dangerous in the evolved species?

My doubts are everywhere.

I'd answer you if I had any idea what you are trying to ask.

Pigeons, or some whatever-have-you species out there, aren't harmed by reproduction through incest.

Humans, supposedly more evolved than them, are.
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Postby Hladgos » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:21 am

Every life form excells in its own caregory. Bacteria are one of the most successful life forms due to their prevalence. Same with insects, plants, everything. Humans just so happen to use their brain as an advantage over other species rather than physical adaptation.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:51 am

I do believe in Hierarchy.

Yes we (humans) are the Master Race.

We are destined to rule the world just as we have been ruling the Earth for the last few thousand years.
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Spiders are the superior of everything.
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Postby Shilya » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:28 am

Gigaverse wrote:I still don't get it. Why is it that evolution resulted in incest being a lot more dangerous in the evolved species?

My doubts are everywhere.


Because the more complex things are, the higher the odds something breaks. It's also why you can throw a 3310 against the wall, but really shouldn't try the same with an iphone.

The odds that something breaks in highly complex organisms - such as people - are usually migitated through redundancy, which allows you to shove the broken part into being recessive, and using the working part instead. Incest reduces this redundancy, you either get two working, or two broken parts.
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-Ebola- wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:We must wipe the Earth from the genetically unclean. We must cleanse all Non-Humans so that only the purity of Humanity is secured.

Suffer not the virus live!


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