The Ancap-Ancom Divide.

[Conglomerate of Iron]

This thread is getting thread jacked again. And i am buying into it.


People, this is a thread about ancoms v ancaps. Not about your ignorance of anarchism. Please GTFO if you are a silly statist with no real thought processes and just wants to force taxes on me through a barrel of a gun. Thank you.

Good thing that's not how taxes are enforced and we obviously do have thought processes if we are able to respond to statements in correct context.

Taxes ARE ENFORCED THROUGH THE BARREL OF A GUN.

JUST GET OUT OF THIS THREAD OR I CALL MODERATOR.

[Shilya]

Or maybe we have this thing called the internet. So everyone knows their face.

And we have this thing called justice. Where the property they took is reclaimed.

Just saying.

So we'll have this currently state-sponsored and state-regulated thing called the internet, that'll everyone have access to and check for the latest frauds and that somehow stays alive in the absence of regulation, and we also have some investigative private army that can track down people and strip them of their stuff, but it's totally not a police and totally won't just arbitrarily rob people of their stuff, I mean it's only a bunch of guys with guns without regulation holding them back, when did that ever go wrong?

[Ripoll]

Good thing that's not how taxes are enforced and we obviously do have thought processes if we are able to respond to statements in correct context.

Taxes ARE ENFORCED THROUGH THE BARREL OF A GUN.

JUST GET OUT OF THIS THREAD OR I CALL MODERATOR.

The IRS doesn't come to your house with a swat team for tax evasion, they just foreclose your home and freeze your assets.

No one has ever been executed for tax evasion in the 21st century

[Conglomerate of Iron]

Taxes ARE ENFORCED THROUGH THE BARREL OF A GUN.

JUST GET OUT OF THIS THREAD OR I CALL MODERATOR.

The IRS doesn't come to your house with a swat team for tax evasion, they just foreclose your home and freeze your assets.

No one has ever been executed for tax evasion in the 21st century

And if you resist they shoot you.

[Ripoll]

Or maybe we have this thing called the internet. So everyone knows their face.

And we have this thing called justice. Where the property they took is reclaimed.

Just saying.

So we'll have this currently state-sponsored and state-regulated thing called the internet, that'll everyone have access to and check for the latest frauds and that somehow stays alive in the absence of regulation, and we also have some investigative private army that can track down people and strip them of their stuff, but it's totally not a police and totally won't just arbitrarily rob people of their stuff, I mean it's only a bunch of guys with guns without regulation holding them back, when did that ever go wrong?

In all honesty I just think people would form a new state rather than go all out with this anarchism stuff so I tend to stay away from the evil corporations argument.

[Anarcho-Communist Collectives]

Which brings me back to the initial point. You're on your farm, filling up your tractor with the latest delivery of gas. You start it, drive a while, it breaks down. Who's to blame? The gas delivery, the tractor manufacturer, no one? Either way, your tractor is broken, I guess that's that now. Sure hope you have enough spare cash to afford another one.

Engineer, here.

The tractor's failure would depend upon a multitude of variables, including but not limited to: climate, type/quality of fuel, whether preventative maintenance had been done on said tractor, possible manufacturing errors, operator error, etc.

[Ripoll]

The IRS doesn't come to your house with a swat team for tax evasion, they just foreclose your home and freeze your assets.

No one has ever been executed for tax evasion in the 21st century

And if you resist they shoot you.

No, they just through you in jail for obstruction of justice and you stay there for a few days till you see your court day.

[Natapoc]

And if you resist they shoot you.

No, they just through you in jail for obstruction of justice and you stay there for a few days till you see your court day.

CM made a gift for you. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=330154

Go there to argue anarchism in general.

[Shilya]

Which brings me back to the initial point. You're on your farm, filling up your tractor with the latest delivery of gas. You start it, drive a while, it breaks down. Who's to blame? The gas delivery, the tractor manufacturer, no one? Either way, your tractor is broken, I guess that's that now. Sure hope you have enough spare cash to afford another one.

Engineer, here.

The tractor's failure would depend upon a multitude of variables, including but not limited to: climate, type/quality of fuel, whether preventative maintenance had been done on said tractor, possible manufacturing errors, operator error, etc.

Yes, that was sort of my point.

Both preventing this, as well as dealing with it, requires an extensive network of trust. Currently, we have trust that can be enforced through courts and regulation agencies. Ancaps want to replace this with "good business sense", it seems, which is rather lacking in comparison. I presume that ancoms want to replace this with having good faith that everone else wants the best for you, so you'll also want the best for them. Which is also rather lacking.

I guess that's another way to express the difference: Faith in business against faith in people.

I'll stick with putting my faith in law, it tends to be more reliable than either.

[Natapoc]

I presume that ancoms want to replace this with having good faith that everone else wants the best for you, so you'll also want the best for them.

Ancoms do not advocate this or believe this. You are incorrect in your presumption about what we want.

[Conglomerate of Iron]

Engineer, here.

The tractor's failure would depend upon a multitude of variables, including but not limited to: climate, type/quality of fuel, whether preventative maintenance had been done on said tractor, possible manufacturing errors, operator error, etc.

Yes, that was sort of my point.

Both preventing this, as well as dealing with it, requires an extensive network of trust. Currently, we have trust that can be enforced through courts and regulation agencies. Ancaps want to replace this with "good business sense", it seems, which is rather lacking in comparison. I presume that ancoms want to replace this with having good faith that everone else wants the best for you, so you'll also want the best for them. Which is also rather lacking.

I guess that's another way to express the difference: Faith in business against faith in people.

I'll stick with putting my faith in law, it tends to be more reliable than either.

Law is very reliable in robbing you blind and throwing you in jail and damaging business. But that is besides the point.

Do you believe ancoms and ancaps can put aside their differences and fight the state is the point.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Good thing that's not how taxes are enforced and we obviously do have thought processes if we are able to respond to statements in correct context.

Taxes ARE ENFORCED THROUGH THE BARREL OF A GUN.

JUST GET OUT OF THIS THREAD OR I CALL MODERATOR.

This is the General forum. Anyone who cares to can participate. There is no thread ownership. You do not get to call who does, and who does not get to take part in a debate. You also do not get to threaten other players with 'if I don't get my way, I will sic the mods on you' statements and think to get away with it.

*** Warned for using Moderators as weapons ***

I think we'll give this thread a bit of a chilly-down. If another moderator is inclined to reopen it, I am not against that. I however, will not be around for the remainder of the night to watch and reopen. You're free to make a request in an hour or two in the Moderation thread where this was reported - which is not, mind you, the place to argue your case further. It can be used to ask questions about the warning and closing, and appeal if necessary. Thank you.