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Postby Puryong » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:48 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Puryong wrote:What do you mean?

Maybe we misunderstand each other. I like women who are Sexually aggressive early in the relationship. So I see it as a positive.

I was just saying I don't like it when guys try to have sex really early in the relationship unless I've explicitly said it was more of a physical relationship obviously :P

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Postby Arcanda » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:48 am

Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

Heh...That's an unexpectedproblem question, I mean.
I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I'd definitely feel bad about myself lol.

More seriously, no, I wouldn't worry about that.I hope to earn enough money in order to sustain both of us tho.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:49 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Things will change. Look at the bright side, once you become the age of "older guys", you can date women 25 years old.

I find this age logic so abusive...
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:49 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

I'm not a guy, but I would have zero problem with someone else supporting a worker class lifestyle for me while they gain enough to still have lots of middle class fun without it being affected by my needs.

I don't measure people's value through that, after all.

How do you measure people's value?
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Postby Puryong » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:50 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

I'm not a guy, but I would have zero problem with someone else supporting a worker class lifestyle for me while they gain enough to still have lots of middle class fun without it being affected by my needs.

I don't measure people's value through that, after all.

I've always thought it would offend some men's masculinity if their female partner earned more than them.

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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:50 am

Edgy Opinions wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Things will change. Look at the bright side, once you become the age of "older guys", you can date women 25 years old.

I find this age logic so abusive...

I was just trying to cheer him up by using his own words. Nothing more.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:50 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:I'm not a guy, but I would have zero problem with someone else supporting a worker class lifestyle for me while they gain enough to still have lots of middle class fun without it being affected by my needs.

I don't measure people's value through that, after all.

How do you measure people's value?

Through measurements not made by arbitrary material gains, obviously.

Many of them are subjective and irrational, so I can't give a detailed explanation.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:51 am

Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

That happens quite often here. (Nyc). And it depends on the relationship and people. I myself don't mind. I don't think I ever dated anyone who made more than a little more than me in a permanent situation.
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Postby Edgy Opinions » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:52 am

Puryong wrote:I've always thought it would offend some men's masculinity if their female partner earned more than them.

Insecurity around women occupying traditionally male roles should be seen as a major turn off. They're supposed to not feel threatened by that, or else they are not getting up with the times.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:53 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

That happens quite often here. (Nyc). And it depends on the relationship and people. I myself don't mind. I don't think I ever dated anyone who made more than a little more than me in a permanent situation.

I have. She made 3~4 times more than me. It can get tricky at times, because our definition of affordable was different. Not because of gender stereotypes.
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Postby Puryong » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:54 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

That happens quite often here. (Nyc). And it depends on the relationship and people. I myself don't mind. I don't think I ever dated anyone who made more than a little more than me in a permanent situation.

I aspire to get a good job, my mother always told me to try and get a job that pays less than your partner's. Though she is an old-fashioned Korean woman soo.. :p

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:54 am

Puryong wrote:
Edgy Opinions wrote:I'm not a guy, but I would have zero problem with someone else supporting a worker class lifestyle for me while they gain enough to still have lots of middle class fun without it being affected by my needs.

I don't measure people's value through that, after all.

I've always thought it would offend some men's masculinity if their female partner earned more than them.

Some guys it does, though I don't have many positive things to say about them.
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 



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Postby Puryong » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:55 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That happens quite often here. (Nyc). And it depends on the relationship and people. I myself don't mind. I don't think I ever dated anyone who made more than a little more than me in a permanent situation.

I have. She made 3~4 times more than me. It can get tricky at times, because our definition of affordable was different. Not because of gender stereotypes.

What happened when you both ate out together? Did you still buy the meal as per tradition or?

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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:57 am

Puryong wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:I have. She made 3~4 times more than me. It can get tricky at times, because our definition of affordable was different. Not because of gender stereotypes.

What happened when you both ate out together? Did you still buy the meal as per tradition or?

We were more egalitarian. We took turns buying. Or someone takes care of meals, the other movie tickets, etc., etc.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:57 am

Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

Not in and of itself, but I certainly wouldn't like to be financially dependent on a partner.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:58 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Puryong wrote:I've always thought it would offend some men's masculinity if their female partner earned more than them.

Some guys it does, though I don't have many positive things to say about them.

You'd be surprised. That kind of insecurity can not be generalized to a person's entire personality. I've met completely fine men who have such singular quirks.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:00 am

Zottistan wrote:
Puryong wrote:Would the guys here have a problem dating a girl who earned more money than them?

Not in and of itself, but I certainly wouldn't like to be financially dependent on a partner.

There is nothing wrong with being dependent on your partner, unless you bring nothing but a hungry mouth to the relationship.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:02 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Not in and of itself, but I certainly wouldn't like to be financially dependent on a partner.

There is nothing wrong with being dependent on your partner, unless you bring nothing but a hungry mouth to the relationship.

I feel like it takes away from the sincerity of the relationship if one partner is involved because they need to be and not exclusively because they want to be. That and I'm uncomfortable being dependent on anybody.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:02 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That happens quite often here. (Nyc). And it depends on the relationship and people. I myself don't mind. I don't think I ever dated anyone who made more than a little more than me in a permanent situation.

I have. She made 3~4 times more than me. It can get tricky at times, because our definition of affordable was different. Not because of gender stereotypes.

The question becomes, how did you handle it?
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:02 am

Zottistan wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:There is nothing wrong with being dependent on your partner, unless you bring nothing but a hungry mouth to the relationship.

I feel like it takes away from the sincerity of the relationship if one partner is involved because they need to be and not exclusively because they want to be. That and I'm uncomfortable being dependent on anybody.

Fair enough~
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:04 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:I have. She made 3~4 times more than me. It can get tricky at times, because our definition of affordable was different. Not because of gender stereotypes.

The question becomes, how did you handle it?

By having unnecessarily long discussions at the beginning, and then quickly realizing what a waste of time that is, and moving on to just enjoying each other's company. I did learn never to bring up any money trouble in front of her, though.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:04 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Some guys it does, though I don't have many positive things to say about them.

You'd be surprised. That kind of insecurity can not be generalized to a person's entire personality. I've met completely fine men who have such singular quirks.

Fair, but I am talking just about the particular trait
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:06 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:You'd be surprised. That kind of insecurity can not be generalized to a person's entire personality. I've met completely fine men who have such singular quirks.

Fair, but I am talking just about the particular trait

If the said guy starts hating/ostracizing another couple because the woman in that relationship earns more than the guy and just because it irks him, then that's where I draw the line in accommodating his quirk.
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Postby Azaflaza » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:06 am

Don't know if you can say I have a type when I haven't been in a relationship yet but my typical preference from what I have liked so far is:
-male
-White, although this doesn't appear to be a necessity
-same height as me or near enough
-dark haired, brunette is the usual
-muscular or perhaps athletic is more appropriate
-funny
-open minded
-sensitive, not only to their needs but to others Aswell
-like the same kind of music as me
-versatile
-capable of tolerating my friends, harder than it sounds haha

Saying that, all these things aren't set in stone requirements. Hell if they were I might as well give up now!

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:06 am

Someone who likes snuggling and doesn't mind doing most of the housework are definitely positives :)
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