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Postby The Sotoan Union » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:03 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Stop this senseless hostility.

Look if I misunderstood your question just explain it again and there can be a discussion. It is absolutely pointless to just say I didn't understand it and not explain how.

Here's the problem, slugger. I really only have two options as to how you could possibly been mislead by the question. The first is that you're being obtuse. Not uncommon but not really worthy of kid gloves or pretending isn't fucking tedious. Certainly not something that would jibe with a desire, no matter how stated, that the person is interested in anything resembling a constructive discourse. For this option, dismissal is the only option as anything else would be tedium.

You know, like dragging this bullshit out like it was super hard to understand or just couldn't be reread by anyone possessing the most basic of reading skills and understood.

The other option is that the person being dealt with does not possess basic reading skills. Again, the best course of action is to state clearly that it is not my job to catch you up with the rest of the class and dismiss any further missives as the gibbering of someone lacking in the tools required for the conversation.

I have no reason to assume you're stupid as hell as you seem to be able to communicate in full sentences and as far as I know carry on conversations that would pass a Turing Test.

So...I'm left with the assumption you're being obtuse.

Which makes these theatrics about 'conversation' tedium.

You said...
The Sotoan Union wrote: This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.

I asked "Who is pretending this isn't happening?"

See those bolded words? The ones that clearly indicate what part of the post the question was directed at? Of course you do. Did you answer that question? No you did not. You gave me some nonsense about being force to watch. What in the wide world of sports does that have to do with pretending these things aren't happening?

Fucking nothing. Not a damn sausage. But you said it. Why? We already established that you're not a goddamned idiot. Because that's the conversation you want to have. Because when you're actually confronted with the rhetoric about people 'pretending these things aren't happening' you're forced to admit that no one is pretending these things aren't happening and has fuck all to do with a decision to show it.

You said some empty ass bullshit and got called on it.

Own it.

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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:27 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Here's the problem, slugger. I really only have two options as to how you could possibly been mislead by the question. The first is that you're being obtuse. Not uncommon but not really worthy of kid gloves or pretending isn't fucking tedious. Certainly not something that would jibe with a desire, no matter how stated, that the person is interested in anything resembling a constructive discourse. For this option, dismissal is the only option as anything else would be tedium.

You know, like dragging this bullshit out like it was super hard to understand or just couldn't be reread by anyone possessing the most basic of reading skills and understood.

The other option is that the person being dealt with does not possess basic reading skills. Again, the best course of action is to state clearly that it is not my job to catch you up with the rest of the class and dismiss any further missives as the gibbering of someone lacking in the tools required for the conversation.

I have no reason to assume you're stupid as hell as you seem to be able to communicate in full sentences and as far as I know carry on conversations that would pass a Turing Test.

So...I'm left with the assumption you're being obtuse.

Which makes these theatrics about 'conversation' tedium.

You said...

I asked "Who is pretending this isn't happening?"

See those bolded words? The ones that clearly indicate what part of the post the question was directed at? Of course you do. Did you answer that question? No you did not. You gave me some nonsense about being force to watch. What in the wide world of sports does that have to do with pretending these things aren't happening?

Fucking nothing. Not a damn sausage. But you said it. Why? We already established that you're not a goddamned idiot. Because that's the conversation you want to have. Because when you're actually confronted with the rhetoric about people 'pretending these things aren't happening' you're forced to admit that no one is pretending these things aren't happening and has fuck all to do with a decision to show it.

You said some empty ass bullshit and got called on it.

Own it.

“After the post went off, after it was a sure thing that NS could be wiped out with the furious tirade that had been written, a poster turned to Cannot Think of a Name and said, 'NS has now known butthurt.' And do you know what Cannot Think of a Name said? He said, 'What is butthurt?”

The Sotoan Union & Cannot think of a name: Both of you have been *** Warned for baiting ***

The Sotoan Union was much more deliberate and without any argument to back it up, mind. But CToaN crossed lines in their attempt to point out the failings in their opponent's arguments. Keep it chilly, folks. Please.

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Postby Hladgos » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:30 am

While it's kinda disrespectful to the pilot, it gives a clear statement that can be interperated quite a few different ways. I think it would be eye-opening if the news began to report like they did during the Vietnam war and get more footage of what it's like.
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Postby Kravanica » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:18 am

Ah, I see the whole "Faux New heuheuheu" circljerk has already begun.

But anyway, good on them. People need to be shown the horror and depravity of ISIS so they can fully understand why we need to wipe them off the face of the earth.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:53 am

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Conserative Morality wrote:Oh, purely Western values. It's wonderful that you view ideals such as personal liberty and mutual tolerance as being solely the domain of the West; that's not racist in the least.

Western notion of personal liberty comes out of "the enlightenment", is there an non western world equivalent?

Yes. Islamic golden age secularism. But we don't hear about that because the Mongols happened.

Funny how we don't consider Communism or Fascism as Western values despite it coming from the Western world.
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Postby Valica » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:35 am

Norstal wrote:Funny how we don't consider Communism or Fascism as Western values despite it coming from the Western world.


The same reason we don't consider Nazism a Western value.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:42 am

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As opposed to the sensibilities of vultures and Communists?

Unless you're going argue against journalistic ethics, older probably than you are, you should go watch FAUX News instead of posting here.


What does it have to do with journalistic ethics? If Fox has the highest ratings in the US then their success is based on giving the US public what they want to see and hear, including this particular video.

Are you calling the Fox Watching American public vultures and communist?


I'm calling FAUX News vultures and communists.

You're right. This has nothing to do with journalistic ethics. Because FAUX News has none.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:16 pm

Valica wrote:
Norstal wrote:Funny how we don't consider Communism or Fascism as Western values despite it coming from the Western world.


The same reason we don't consider Nazism a Western value.
Bad ideas are bad.

They are bad ideas. But CM replied to a post saying that positive values like freedom and liberty as a solely Western value. Which, it is certainly not. Just as Nazism isn't a Western value. Restoring what Islam had before wouldn't be enforcing the white man's burden, anymore than liberating Vichy France would be colonization.
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Postby -Ebola- » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:10 pm

Valica wrote:I don't know... the Middle East and Africa are in a bad place right now with ISIS and Boko Haram.
Something has to be done.


Boko Haram is not a continent-wide problem afflicting Africa. They are specifically in Nigeria and a few areas of other countries that border Nigeria.

Maybe if people learned some geography Westerners wouldn't have such a negative view of Africa. Nobody cites Kim Jong Un as evidence that "Asia" is a fucked up place.

What do you think about Fox showing the video, NSG?


I have no desire to watch the video, but that's OK because I don't watch Fox anyway.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:59 pm

Norstal wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Western notion of personal liberty comes out of "the enlightenment", is there an non western world equivalent?

Yes. Islamic golden age secularism. But we don't hear about that because the Mongols happened.

Funny how we don't consider Communism or Fascism as Western values despite it coming from the Western world.

That while interesting and informative, thanK you, does not describe a notion of personal liberty it does Describe a distinction between political and religious spheres of influence, which was not my understanding.
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:10 pm

Showing videos like this is an important part of impartial news reporting.

That said, I'm not going to call Fox News impartial.

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:26 pm

I appreciate seeing the real news, not the censored news.

Besides, they all ready show us the burning wreckage of cars and trucks, after a bland warning: "The following is not for younger viewers."
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:50 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Norstal wrote:Yes. Islamic golden age secularism. But we don't hear about that because the Mongols happened.

Funny how we don't consider Communism or Fascism as Western values despite it coming from the Western world.

That while interesting and informative, thanK you, does not describe a notion of personal liberty it does Describe a distinction between political and religious spheres of influence, which was not my understanding.

That's how it started in the early days of American colonialism too.

Would this be better? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Go ... Expression

As CM said, basic civil rights did not come solely from the Western world.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:21 am

Norstal wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That while interesting and informative, thanK you, does not describe a notion of personal liberty it does Describe a distinction between political and religious spheres of influence, which was not my understanding.

That's how it started in the early days of American colonialism too.

Would this be better? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Go ... Expression

As CM said, basic civil rights did not come solely from the Western world.

Yes, thats on point, much better thank you. As to early colonial period where wod be the questkon, in Boston there was no religious freeDom. In new york, a reasonable bit.
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