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Postby Romalae » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:30 pm

Atomic Energy wrote:
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Then again it's FOXNews, so they're probably trying to use it to say "All Muslims Do This".

I think the narrative is probably more like "Obama caused this"

And "he is a Muslim."

"Who we used to criticize for having a crazy Christian pastor."
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Postby Indira » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:43 pm

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The Emerald Dawn wrote:Ratings have NOTHING to do with journalistic integrity.

Well millions of American news viewers must be total idiots, then, considering Fox is the most-watched news channel. And do you have any kind of proof of widespread lack of journalistic integrity besides "lol fox"?


This is a good place to start. There are no doubt others http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=24736

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Postby Atomic Energy » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:55 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Ratings have NOTHING to do with journalistic integrity.

Well millions of American news viewers must be total idiots, then, considering Fox is the most-watched news channel. And do you have any kind of proof of widespread lack of journalistic integrity besides "lol fox"?

Most news channels are six feet deep in yellow journalism, in my opinion fox is just another brick in the wall, they just get hit harder than the other channels. I don't know why we don't get to pick on the missing plane channel (CNN) or liberal unpopular fox news with creepy eyed commentators (MSNBC). I'd imagine it's because fox news leans conservative. After all, it is part of Rupert Murdoch's mega news corp.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:38 pm

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Implying that they are being forced to watch it.

Hey, great...you answered a question I didn't ask. Awesome.

Well thanks for enlightening me as to what you are asking so this discussion could be meaningful. Or not.

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Postby Jamjai » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:31 pm

I don't think I want to see a man being burned over and over again
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Postby Valaran » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:50 pm

My initial reaction is that this was highly disrespectful.

But I'm unsure on the issue.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:06 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Hey, great...you answered a question I didn't ask. Awesome.

Well thanks for enlightening me as to what you are asking so this discussion could be meaningful. Or not.

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Postby Skeckoa » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:09 pm

Maybe that way it will hit home. At least it did for the jordanians.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:12 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Well thanks for enlightening me as to what you are asking so this discussion could be meaningful. Or not.

It wasn't a fucking puzzle.

Stop this senseless hostility.

Look if I misunderstood your question just explain it again and there can be a discussion. It is absolutely pointless to just say I didn't understand it and not explain how.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:47 pm

The Sotoan Union wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:It wasn't a fucking puzzle.

Stop this senseless hostility.

Look if I misunderstood your question just explain it again and there can be a discussion. It is absolutely pointless to just say I didn't understand it and not explain how.

Here's the problem, slugger. I really only have two options as to how you could possibly been mislead by the question. The first is that you're being obtuse. Not uncommon but not really worthy of kid gloves or pretending isn't fucking tedious. Certainly not something that would jibe with a desire, no matter how stated, that the person is interested in anything resembling a constructive discourse. For this option, dismissal is the only option as anything else would be tedium.

You know, like dragging this bullshit out like it was super hard to understand or just couldn't be reread by anyone possessing the most basic of reading skills and understood.

The other option is that the person being dealt with does not possess basic reading skills. Again, the best course of action is to state clearly that it is not my job to catch you up with the rest of the class and dismiss any further missives as the gibbering of someone lacking in the tools required for the conversation.

I have no reason to assume you're stupid as hell as you seem to be able to communicate in full sentences and as far as I know carry on conversations that would pass a Turing Test.

So...I'm left with the assumption you're being obtuse.

Which makes these theatrics about 'conversation' tedium.

You said...
The Sotoan Union wrote: This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.

I asked "Who is pretending this isn't happening?"

See those bolded words? The ones that clearly indicate what part of the post the question was directed at? Of course you do. Did you answer that question? No you did not. You gave me some nonsense about being force to watch. What in the wide world of sports does that have to do with pretending these things aren't happening?

Fucking nothing. Not a damn sausage. But you said it. Why? We already established that you're not a goddamned idiot. Because that's the conversation you want to have. Because when you're actually confronted with the rhetoric about people 'pretending these things aren't happening' you're forced to admit that no one is pretending these things aren't happening and has fuck all to do with a decision to show it.

You said some empty ass bullshit and got called on it.

Own it.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:49 pm

Romalae wrote:
Atomic Energy wrote:I think the narrative is probably more like "Obama caused this"

And "he is a Muslim."

"Who we used to criticize for having a crazy Christian pastor."


"Don't forget they also have control of towns that are off-limits to Non-Muslims, like Birmingham."
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:11 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Romalae wrote:And "he is a Muslim."

"Who we used to criticize for having a crazy Christian pastor."


"Don't forget they also have control of towns that are off-limits to Non-Muslims, like Birmingham."

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Postby Nebalon » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:57 pm

Good, people need to know how disgusting the ISIS muslims can be
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:06 pm

Nebalon wrote:Good, people need to know how disgusting the ISIS muslims can be

And to do that they must personally watch potentially traumatizing footage rather than just be told about what happened like other news agencies?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:12 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Nebalon wrote:Good, people need to know how disgusting the ISIS muslims can be

And to do that they must personally watch potentially traumatizing footage rather than just be told about what happened like other news agencies?


"Being told" tends to not really register in peoples brains when talking about horrid things. After all, our entire society is based on "not thinking about it". From who makes our cellphones and clothes to how the animals in our burgers were treated - we are told it is not pretty, but merely being told is so easy to forget.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:15 pm

Al Nahar wrote:
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>Argues setting up democracies in Middle East is wrong and dictatorships should be installed
>Argues Saddam could have kept Iran in check
>Misses how installing a dictatorship in Iran turned it into a theocracy today


Every country is different. There is no one strategy for all countries. They fucked up in removing the government in Iran, and mind you the Khoemeinists in Iran weren't alone in their fight against the Shah there were many others too. So it didn't just breed 100% Islamist radicalists.

As we've seen, when you get it wrong people die.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:15 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Nebalon wrote:Good, people need to know how disgusting the ISIS muslims can be

And to do that they must personally watch potentially traumatizing footage rather than just be told about what happened like other news agencies?

Hence why we don't publish Holocaust photos and just tell people what happened.
You know, because doing otherwise would be potentially traumatizing.

Besides that particular clusterfuck of shitty argument, no expression that people 'must' watch this was used. Fox didn't even broadcast it on their television network, but published the video on the Internet, where interested parties would have to deliberately search it out (and be warned by a 'Graphic images' warning at the beginning).

Though yes, it does seem to sound like Nebalon thought such was a positive thing for people to do.
I'd agree with him.
And disagreement decidedly shouldn't be based in the above batshit crazy argument that somehow people must be spared from any potentially graphic images because...sensitivity. That's fucking ridiculous.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:17 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:And to do that they must personally watch potentially traumatizing footage rather than just be told about what happened like other news agencies?


"Being told" tends to not really register in peoples brains when talking about horrid things. After all, our entire society is based on "not thinking about it". From who makes our cellphones and clothes to how the animals in our burgers were treated - we are told it is not pretty, but merely being told is so easy to forget.
Yes, but would a better solution not then be to say "go to our website to see actual footage of what they are doing" rather than airing it with the possibility of people who legitimately could suffer psychological damage by seeing such atrocities carried out seeing it when they didn't intend to? There is a reason trigger warnings have become popular online, and the possibility of seeing a man burned alive is a damned good reason for one.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:20 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
"Being told" tends to not really register in peoples brains when talking about horrid things. After all, our entire society is based on "not thinking about it". From who makes our cellphones and clothes to how the animals in our burgers were treated - we are told it is not pretty, but merely being told is so easy to forget.
Yes, but would a better solution not then be to say "go to our website to see actual footage of what they are doing" rather than airing it with the possibility of people who legitimately could suffer psychological damage by seeing such atrocities carried out seeing it when they didn't intend to?

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Fox didn't broadcast the video on television.

Not that doing so would even validate that argument, but we'll leave that aside since Fox didn't broadcast the video on television.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:22 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
"Being told" tends to not really register in peoples brains when talking about horrid things. After all, our entire society is based on "not thinking about it". From who makes our cellphones and clothes to how the animals in our burgers were treated - we are told it is not pretty, but merely being told is so easy to forget.
Yes, but would a better solution not then be to say "go to our website to see actual footage of what they are doing" rather than airing it with the possibility of people who legitimately could suffer psychological damage by seeing such atrocities carried out seeing it when they didn't intend to?

That's exactly what they did.
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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:26 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Yes, but would a better solution not then be to say "go to our website to see actual footage of what they are doing" rather than airing it with the possibility of people who legitimately could suffer psychological damage by seeing such atrocities carried out seeing it when they didn't intend to?

That's exactly what they did.

Well shit, I misread the article. I saw that they had stated on tv that people needed to see this, but missed that it was then posted online. I have no problems with this then. Sorry about that screw up on my part.
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Postby UED » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:38 pm

Wow, Fox News...

Well I don't like the graphic violence but at least they didn't show a fake video, or a reenactment of the murder.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:49 pm

I watched the video...it was absolutely barbaric to say the least. No I don't think it was appropriate to stream it air.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:18 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:I watched the video...it was absolutely barbaric to say the least. No I don't think it was appropriate to stream it air.

It wasn't.
It was hosted on their website.

I chose to watch it in the Fox site.
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Postby Sdaeriji » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:59 am

So Fox News is hosting ISIS propaganda? Seems like that makes them terrorist sympathizers. We should probably throw them all in Gitmo, just to be safe.
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