Fox News Hosts Video of Jordanian Pilot Being Burned Alive

[The Emerald Dawn]

I don't care about it, because it's nonsense.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya, bastions of civil order since American intervention at the turn of the millennium.

Good kids all. Minor disagreements, but they can certainly be trusted to govern themselves well enough to avoid a total genocide.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

I don't care about it, because it's nonsense.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya, bastions of civil order since American intervention at the turn of the millennium.

If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.

[Benuty]

That screaming will haunt my dreams forever.

[The Emerald Dawn]

That screaming will haunt my dreams forever.

Not to belittle your trauma, because I'm not.

Imagine being up close for worse.

Now remember that every time someone says the Military made up PTSD.

[Al Nahar]

Would ISIS be where they are if America had just left Saddam to his business instead of replacing a tyrannical yet strong government with a sectarian weak government?

When you try and play world police you just create anarchy, and it allows nutters like this to take control.

Everybody cheered on the Libyan rebels, now Benghazi is a jihadist hub and the government is struggling to run the country.

It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya, and now it's not gonna work in Iraq again. Just leave them the fuck alone to emerge from the dark ages. Just because America has a gargantuan military does not mean it has to be constantly aimed at something.

Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.

Saddam hardly better than Daesh? are you serious?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I have mixed feelings on this.

I admit, I have viewed the video. It was not on Fox, nor any affiliate I'm aware of. I wanted to see the reactions and bearing of those carrying it not, not so much the act itself. What I saw was deeply disturbing. And yes, to those who've made the comment, there is no getting that sort of thing out of your head once you've seen it. If you aren't prepared for that, you shouldn't make the choice to view it.

Anger? We should be angry. We should be furious that there are people out there who carry out these callous, inhuman acts with such quiet pride and detachment. We should also be informed about who these people are, and direct our anger accurately. This group uses a religion as a tool to oppress others. They take bits and pieces to serve themselves, not some prophet or Allah, or anyone else. They are not the same as those who try to live their lives to a certain creed or ideology. They are not the same as those they are oppressing using parts of that ideology .

These people are attempting to eradicate entire groups of people who they have branded 'infidels' and thus unworthy of being treated as fellow human beings - see the Yazidi as a prime example. They have utilized brutality, slavery, rape, assassination, threats, hostages, and a false interpretation of and forced 'conversion' to a religion they only use to oppress others with. They have no redeeming factors. The people they have claimed in their 'caliphate' are suffering from a lack of food, water, electricity, health services - they've taken the areas they have claimed by force back not only in their method of dating, but to technological and living levels that people are unprepared for, and unable to adapt to. And now they're not only beheading people, they're burning them alive and claiming to 'cleanse' those who have chosen to stand up to them. People who are, if claims made are to be believed, actual faithful followers of the religion IS purports to serve.

If viewing this sort of depravity and lack of humanity serves to convince people that we need to unite as fellow human beings and do something definitive about this radicalized group, then so be it - let it stand. If uninformed, unthinking people choose to use it as a broad brush to paint an entire religion with, its our responsibility to argue them down, and if possible, set them straight on what's really happening, and why that sort of talk is wrong.

Strongly-worded comments of condemnation are not going to cut it. Sanctions are not going to serve any purpose but to further harm the people living under a corrupt group of fearmongers and brutes who steal and redistribute whatever they find as they wish anyway - note the aid packages lately that IS relabeled and passed out as its own. This group cannot be reasoned with. It cannot be trusted. It does not wish to bargain, it only wishes to have its way, control entire regions, and wipe out any it dislikes or disavows. I've been trying to see how any way forward save violence will accomplish anything, and I've failed to find one. Peace is not a part of their plans. They don't care how upset we get - they feed off it.

Those in control in the local area need to stand up, unite, and take action - those who would support them need to do just that, but in a way that will not put us at the forefront and potentially exacerbate the long-running situation that has existed since god only knows how long now. Real support, mind. Not just sitting back and righteously condemning these acts of horror.

There is no clean, easy solution here. Innocents are going to suffer. There are no perfect ways of removing them from the inevitable crossfire. The thing that chiefly limits our response is the fact we do value lives, we do value freedom, and we do value individual worth in the grand scheme of things. IS and those of like mind do not. They have absolutely no boundaries when it comes to what they are, and have been willing to do to enforce their rule. In the end, there are going to have to be some hard choices made if this movement is to be eradicated.

So, use their tools against them. Put out our own propaganda. Educate people on what's actually going on. Twist their efforts on them. Fuel the outrage and point it where it ought to be directed. Channel it, focus it, and get the people to rise up and knock these bastards down hard enough that they won't come back to power again. Can you honestly think any other method is going to get any lasting results?

[The New Sea Territory]

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[The Sotoan Union]

People aren't being forced to watch it. They could always change the channel. But I agree that these videos should be shown. This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.

[Cannot think of a name]

People aren't being forced to watch it. They could always change the channel. But I agree that these videos should be shown. This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.

Who is pretending they aren't?

[Imperializt Russia]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Libya, bastions of civil order since American intervention at the turn of the millennium.

If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.

Then what criteria of success have you been following?

Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.

[The Emerald Dawn]

If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.

Then what criteria of success have you been following?

Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.

Only one solution.

Ring the entire area with NATO, pull all civilians out, and have a land race to determine new borders.

[The Sotoan Union]

People aren't being forced to watch it. They could always change the channel. But I agree that these videos should be shown. This is happening and you can't pretend it isn't.

Who is pretending they aren't?

If people aren't forced to watch what these fucking monsters are doing, they won't react.

Implying that they are being forced to watch it.

[Kainesia]

Would ISIS be where they are if America had just left Saddam to his business instead of replacing a tyrannical yet strong government with a sectarian weak government?

When you try and play world police you just create anarchy, and it allows nutters like this to take control.

Everybody cheered on the Libyan rebels, now Benghazi is a jihadist hub and the government is struggling to run the country.

It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya, and now it's not gonna work in Iraq again. Just leave them the fuck alone to emerge from the dark ages. Just because America has a gargantuan military does not mean it has to be constantly aimed at something.

Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.

*Fire marshal walks in* Flames aren't allowed in this neighborhood. Local ordinances and all...

but snarky, stupid comments that add nothing to the conversation apparently are.

[Cannot think of a name]

Who is pretending they aren't?

If people aren't forced to watch what these fucking monsters are doing, they won't react.

Implying that they are being forced to watch it.

Hey, great...you answered a question I didn't ask. Awesome.

[L Ron Cupboard]

SNIP

Okay I am convinced.

Not having watched an ISIS recruitment video, but aren't they pretty much made up of these sort of events? In other words what may repulse most people, actually attracts others?

[The Rich Port]

FAUX News is trying to compete with their biggest business rival, The Best Gore website.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

If that's your criteria of success, your obviously delusional and stupid.

Then what criteria of success have you been following?

Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.

Both, Iraq and Afghanistan have made massive improvements in terms of human and civil rights in very short time periods. Have they turned into fucking sweden or luxemburg? No, but both societies are lightyears better off compared to the saddam and taliban era. Anybody who denies it is not worth talking to.

[Al Nahar]

Saddam was hardly better than ISIS. Letting nutters like saddam take control is not a solution either. He is was force for radicalization, not moderation. "Strong government" only means "government that commits massive human rights violations". That's what you're really trying to say. The new government is "weak" because it doesn't use the same methods saddam used. It did work in Iraq and it did work in Afghanistan, it didn't work in Libya because we actually weren't and aren't there.

he is basically saying that those type of governments only work when there are foreign troops on the ground to control the situation. That is called occupation. The West screwed up really shitty in Iraq, not just by invading it but also by fucking up the way the government was going to be set up. The west has consistently failed to cement any sucess in the Arab world. The fuck up and mismanagement of both Iraq and now Afghanistan(corruption, military, sectarianism). The failure to provide any support to moderate elements in Libya except for airstrikes and then they ran away, the failure to arm and equip syrian rebels, and the successful support to Iran by funding it with billions of dollars via the unfreezing of assets which only serves to further the instability in the region by it supporting minority regimes and puppets. Well done. And please dont say its our problem to fix our governments when your armies destroyed any form of stability forces in our countries.

Oh yes and the support for the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt

[Kainesia]

FAUX News is trying to compete with their biggest business rival, The Best Gore website.

Well best gore claims the beheadings are faked for unknown sinister purposes, as well as denying the holocaust and all kinds of crazy shit. Even fox doesn't steep that low.

[Imperializt Russia]

Then what criteria of success have you been following?

Except for purely military goals, one of those has been an abject failure, one hasn't happened, the third was a temporary fix that's since utterly failed and the fourth is ongoing and possible to wind up as a counterpart to the Iraqi Civil War.

Both, Iraq and Afghanistan have made massive improvements in terms of human and civil rights in very short time periods. Have they turned into fucking sweden or luxemburg? No, but both societies are lightyears better off compared to the saddam and taliban era. Anybody who denies it is not worth talking to.

Both are still gripped by a tribal civil war.
A tribal civil war, it's worth pointing out, was not occurring prior to western intervention in those states.

I supported and support that western intervention did occur in these states.
We didn't do our job right.

SNIP

Okay I am convinced.

Not having watched an ISIS recruitment video, but aren't they pretty much made up of these sort of events? In other words what may repulse most people, actually attracts others?

Salon posted an interesting book excerpt a couple days ago on this topic.
Specifically beheadings, but it can be generally applied.

What a beheading feels like: The science, the gruesome spectacle — and why we can’t look away

[The Rich Port]

FAUX News is trying to compete with their biggest business rival, The Best Gore website.

Well best gore claims the beheadings are faked for unknown sinister purposes, as well as denying the holocaust and all kinds of crazy shit. Even fox doesn't steep that low.

Give them time and enough declining ratings.

Next thing you know, Ann Coulter's gonna show up wearing Ronald Reagan's boxers on her head.

[Kainesia]

Well best gore claims the beheadings are faked for unknown sinister purposes, as well as denying the holocaust and all kinds of crazy shit. Even fox doesn't steep that low.

Give them time and enough declining ratings.

Next thing you know, Ann Coulter's gonna show up wearing Ronald Reagan's boxers on her head.

Impossible, her hollow skull would cave in.

[Romalae]

Yeah, I agree. Terrible decision. Playing right into the hands of ISIS.

Hardly, because it doesn't achieve any of the goals set by IS other than the shock value of knowing it was done.
Which was achieved without showing the footage anyway.

The purpose of releasing that video is for the shock value and to demonstrate their will and their capabilities. They want to make us feel horrified and get whipped into a frenzy over it, and Fox News is falling right in to the trap. And they do it on purpose because they get their ratings off of making their audience afraid of every new threat in the world, no matter how distant or overblown it is.

[Threlizdun]

Well that certainly doesn’t have the potential to do any psychological damage to viewers…