Race and Racism in The United States

[The Cobalt Sky]

...Or just get searched, convicted, and sentenced more often. And when they do get sentenced, it's for longer.
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The DOJ has run through this crap numerous times.
Riddle me this mr stats man:
Of those arrests, who and how many resisted without violence? With violence?
Do they have prior run ins with the law?
Prior convictions? Plea bargains?
What were the extenuating circumstances?
What led to the initial contact with the officers?
Once in custody, were they cooperative?
Were they on parole or have pending charges?

All these, and more, have a significant impact in how your case gets handled by the system. Compounding issues of repeat arrests and convictions also tend to skew statistics done by lazy statisticians as they frequently, sometimes intentionally, ignore the number of unique events, in favor of bulk numbers.

Did you miss this part?
“For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.
Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.
Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.
Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23 ... oe-ayres23
Stopped and searched more. That's clearly bias.
And there is clearly a disparity with drug sentencing:
""The race issue isn't just that the judge is going, 'Oh, black man, I'm gonna sentence you higher,'" she said. "The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that's where they make most of their drug arrests. If they arrest you, now you have a 'prior,' so if you plead or get arrested again, you're gonna have a higher sentence. There's a kind of cumulative effect.""
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/1 ... 41346.html
You also have yet to provide a legitimate counterexample.

[The 502nd SS]

At my school the black people are extremely racist towards everyone thats not black


I believe racism doesn't happen as much as everyone here seems to think

[Mavorpen]

At my school the black people are extremely racist towards everyone thats not black

They're also secretly North Korean spies who have pet unicorns.

[Master Shake]

Bullshit!

How come more shit is hitting the fan under Obama then Bush?

Because Obama isn't doing his job properly, putting aside the Republican vs Democrat bias.

More schools shootings and more police shootouts...

Which neither are relevant to race.

Chris Dorner was called racist names every day by his fellow officers until he snapped...but you say "Obama is here that can't happen because Obama says it can't happen"...BULLSHIT!

They could have been joking with him. Even if they weren't, you can't call out a select few to make a stand for everyone.

1. I agree with you.

2. Police shootouts...hmm...The situation in Ferguson and NYC was racially motivated. Hell the Anahiem riots were racially motivated. Not sure about schools, but you never know

3. I highly doubt that the other officers saying the N word over and over again..day after day...was done in a joking manner...

[New Hampshire Republic]

Because Obama isn't doing his job properly, putting aside the Republican vs Democrat bias.



Which neither are relevant to race.



They could have been joking with him. Even if they weren't, you can't call out a select few to make a stand for everyone.

1. I agree with you.

2. Police shootouts...hmm...The situation in Ferguson and NYC was racially motivated. Hell the Anahiem riots were racially motivated. Not sure about schools, but you never know

3. I highly doubt that the other officers saying the N word over and over again..day after day...was done in a joking manner...

Yeah, the incident in Ferguson was all about race. Not that Mike Brown fit the profile of someone who had just robbed a store. Not because he assaulted Officer Wilson. Nope, it was all about Brown being black.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Corrected the tags.

The fact that the site hasn't been updated for three years doesn't mean that the phrase has not been used since then. It simply means that the site owner lost interest in recording instances of it being used.

Of course it has been used...by people who are discredited and ostracized for it right after.

Not consistently, at least in my experience.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I think I just proved black people are hurt by the criminal justice system a lot more than whites. How are you still that concerned with white people? Are you saying we should be jailed even more frequently and for even lesser infractions?

If I was Black, I might be worried. But since I'm White, I don't see it as my problem. I'm a segregationist that keeps to my own and doesn't want to bother with other races beyond what is necessary. I doubt the situation of Black America will be much improved when Hispanics are the majority.

If we learn to accept each other more, the world will become a better place. If we break down the barriers of wanting to avoid each other, things will get better. I've found that it's the people who want to segregate themselves from the rest of America are actually the source of a lot of America's problems, and quite possibly a majority of the world's problems.

[Master Shake]

1. I agree with you.

2. Police shootouts...hmm...The situation in Ferguson and NYC was racially motivated. Hell the Anahiem riots were racially motivated. Not sure about schools, but you never know

3. I highly doubt that the other officers saying the N word over and over again..day after day...was done in a joking manner...

Yeah, the incident in Ferguson was all about race. Not that Mike Brown fit the profile of someone who had just robbed a store. Not because he assaulted Officer Wilson. Nope, it was all about Brown being black.

Way to move the goal posts...I guess you would say the innocent mexican guy riding his bike at 11pm in Anahiem deserved to be shot even though he was coming home from work...ohh wait he is Brown and out after 10pm...He must be robbing someone!


God go back to your Nazi rally...

[The Cobalt Sky]

I believe racism doesn't happen as much as everyone here seems to think

Did you even read my OP? What did I even start this discussion for if people aren't going to do that?

[The 502nd SS]

At my school the black people are extremely racist towards everyone thats not black

They're also secretly North Korean spies who have pet unicorns.

what?

[The Cobalt Sky]

The solution to your problem of course, isn't to fight against racism but rather- to accept it as what is natural and true. Learn what racial/ethnic group you belong to and do not feel any shame in embracing that. I choose to keep to my own as much as possible and couldn't be happier.

Sometimes I think we should just cut our losses and Balkanize.

Stop thinking that. That would end in Armageddon.

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, the incident in Ferguson was all about race. Not that Mike Brown fit the profile of someone who had just robbed a store.

Wilson didn't know about said robbery, so it's irrelevant.

[Barboneia]

They're also secretly North Korean spies who have pet unicorns.

what?

Dear god, it's a joke! How do you fail to understand that it's a joke?

[New Hampshire Republic]

Yeah, the incident in Ferguson was all about race. Not that Mike Brown fit the profile of someone who had just robbed a store. Not because he assaulted Officer Wilson. Nope, it was all about Brown being black.

Way to move the goal posts...I guess you would say the innocent mexican guy riding his bike at 11pm in Anahiem deserved to be shot even though he was coming home from work...ohh wait he is Brown and out after 10pm...He must be robbing someone!

God go back to your Nazi rally...

Two completely unrelated incidents, but sure, call me a Nazi.

[Thermodolia]

Hi there. This is my first real discussion thread, so if it comes out lopsided, I’ll work on a new one and come back later. I hope that there isn't another thread out there that covers this one, and I looked but I didn't see one. In case you’re wondering, I’m 14, one half black, and one half white. Apparently, there is some Native American in there somewhere, but I’m not really Native American, and I do not claim to understand their experience in America whatsoever and I do not know what it is like to be one at all. But anyway, I think that lately, people have been saying racism is not a problem. But I think that it is, and a very serious one at that. I point to the criminal justice system, which a lot of people apparently don’t think has any racial problems.

“The survey, which was mostly conducted before the shooting of NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos in New York over the weekend, found similar results on perceptions of the justice system as a whole. While 41% of Americans say the criminal justice system treats blacks fairly, far more whites - 50% - see equity. Among non-whites, that figure drops to just 21%. Two-thirds of non-whites said that the criminal justice system favors whites over blacks.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/politics/ ... e-justice/

But it definitely seems to have problems.

“Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241 ... 3789858002
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war ... minorities

“Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009).[1]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics ... ican_males

There are also many issues with racial profiling.

“For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.
Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.
Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.
Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23 ... oe-ayres23

And, with the advent of DNA technology, tons of people were exonerated. The vast majority of the wrongfully convicted were black.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content ... onwide.php
A few other links to consider:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ed-states/
http://www.sentencingproject.org/templa ... cfm?id=122

After looking through this, I’d say race is still a pretty serious problem in the US, and not talking about it won’t solve anything, just make it worse. I think people are touchy and uncomfortable when it comes to talking about race, because there’s a chance they could be called racist, and a racist is something that society at large generally says is bad, although I think tons of people are still racist. But this wouldn’t be much of a thread if I didn’t ask: what do you think? What racist experiences have you gone through?

EDIT:
Let me revise this, so people can post a little bit more.
A problem, but how serious a problem? Who do you think is its source? How ingrained is it? Are you a racist? (I want a little more than the generic statement, 'yes, it's a problem')

Oh look, another racism thread.

In all seriousness, tons of people are not racist, most are perfectly fine with everyone. It is just a select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. AL Sharpton I'm looking at you.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Racism is still rampant in the US. Those who do not think it exists or embrace it are equal in their betrayal of the truth.

Rampant? Are you basing your view on the US with Cousinf*ck County, Mississippi?

Yes, it is rampant. I believe I have shown this in my OP.

[Mike the Progressive]

At my school the black people are extremely racist towards everyone thats not black


I believe racism doesn't happen as much as everyone here seems to think

It's widely prevalent. What you just mentioned is an example of that. I don't think malicious racism is widespread, but subconsciously it's huge. We all have biases/stereotypes we hold against every ethnic group, intentionally or not, due to our culture -tv, movies, books, etc.

And that's the problem and it's a huge.

[Mavorpen]

In all seriousness is tons of people are not racist most are perfectly fine with everyone it is just select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. AL Sharpton I'm looking at you.

If you think the problem are "racists," then you've completely missed the point. The point is that people develop schemas based off of established stereotypes and they affect how people think, and act. No one is arguing that we have a problem with explicit white supremacists and self identified KKK members. The problem is racist beliefs and stereotypes held by people who aren't actual racists.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Hi there. This is my first real discussion thread, so if it comes out lopsided, I’ll work on a new one and come back later. I hope that there isn't another thread out there that covers this one, and I looked but I didn't see one. In case you’re wondering, I’m 14, one half black, and one half white. Apparently, there is some Native American in there somewhere, but I’m not really Native American, and I do not claim to understand their experience in America whatsoever and I do not know what it is like to be one at all. But anyway, I think that lately, people have been saying racism is not a problem. But I think that it is, and a very serious one at that. I point to the criminal justice system, which a lot of people apparently don’t think has any racial problems.

“The survey, which was mostly conducted before the shooting of NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos in New York over the weekend, found similar results on perceptions of the justice system as a whole. While 41% of Americans say the criminal justice system treats blacks fairly, far more whites - 50% - see equity. Among non-whites, that figure drops to just 21%. Two-thirds of non-whites said that the criminal justice system favors whites over blacks.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/politics/ ... e-justice/

But it definitely seems to have problems.

“Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241 ... 3789858002
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war ... minorities

“Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009).[1]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics ... ican_males

There are also many issues with racial profiling.

“For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.
Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.
Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.
Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23 ... oe-ayres23

And, with the advent of DNA technology, tons of people were exonerated. The vast majority of the wrongfully convicted were black.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content ... onwide.php
A few other links to consider:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ed-states/
http://www.sentencingproject.org/templa ... cfm?id=122

After looking through this, I’d say race is still a pretty serious problem in the US, and not talking about it won’t solve anything, just make it worse. I think people are touchy and uncomfortable when it comes to talking about race, because there’s a chance they could be called racist, and a racist is something that society at large generally says is bad, although I think tons of people are still racist. But this wouldn’t be much of a thread if I didn’t ask: what do you think? What racist experiences have you gone through?

EDIT:
Let me revise this, so people can post a little bit more.
A problem, but how serious a problem? Who do you think is its source? How ingrained is it? Are you a racist? (I want a little more than the generic statement, 'yes, it's a problem')

Oh look, another racism thread.

In all seriousness is tons of people are not racist most are perfectly fine with everyone it is just select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. L Sharpton I'm looking at you.

Al. Al Sharpton.

And while he's hardly the spokesperson I'd personally choose, I'm not sure exactly what you want black people to do when major racial issues come up. Not have someone who is willing to call for attention and say "This needs to be seen and discussed"? Not have someone lead the outcry against brutality or senseless killing? Or is it okay to do that if the person doesn't make a living through his work in the area?

[Thermodolia]

In all seriousness is tons of people are not racist most are perfectly fine with everyone it is just select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. AL Sharpton I'm looking at you.

If you think the problem are "racists," then you've completely missed the point. The point is that people develop schemas based off of established stereotypes and they affect how people think, and act. No one is arguing that we have a problem with explicit white supremacists and self identified KKK members. The problem is racist beliefs and stereotypes held by people who aren't actual racists.

What you said is basically my idea I'm just not that good writing things out. Also I'm doing this on the go.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Hi there. This is my first real discussion thread, so if it comes out lopsided, I’ll work on a new one and come back later. I hope that there isn't another thread out there that covers this one, and I looked but I didn't see one. In case you’re wondering, I’m 14, one half black, and one half white. Apparently, there is some Native American in there somewhere, but I’m not really Native American, and I do not claim to understand their experience in America whatsoever and I do not know what it is like to be one at all. But anyway, I think that lately, people have been saying racism is not a problem. But I think that it is, and a very serious one at that. I point to the criminal justice system, which a lot of people apparently don’t think has any racial problems.

“The survey, which was mostly conducted before the shooting of NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos in New York over the weekend, found similar results on perceptions of the justice system as a whole. While 41% of Americans say the criminal justice system treats blacks fairly, far more whites - 50% - see equity. Among non-whites, that figure drops to just 21%. Two-thirds of non-whites said that the criminal justice system favors whites over blacks.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/politics/ ... e-justice/

But it definitely seems to have problems.

“Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241 ... 3789858002
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war ... minorities

“Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009).[1]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics ... ican_males

There are also many issues with racial profiling.

“For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.
Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.
Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.
Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23 ... oe-ayres23

And, with the advent of DNA technology, tons of people were exonerated. The vast majority of the wrongfully convicted were black.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content ... onwide.php
A few other links to consider:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ed-states/
http://www.sentencingproject.org/templa ... cfm?id=122

After looking through this, I’d say race is still a pretty serious problem in the US, and not talking about it won’t solve anything, just make it worse. I think people are touchy and uncomfortable when it comes to talking about race, because there’s a chance they could be called racist, and a racist is something that society at large generally says is bad, although I think tons of people are still racist. But this wouldn’t be much of a thread if I didn’t ask: what do you think? What racist experiences have you gone through?

EDIT:
Let me revise this, so people can post a little bit more.
A problem, but how serious a problem? Who do you think is its source? How ingrained is it? Are you a racist? (I want a little more than the generic statement, 'yes, it's a problem')

Oh look, another racism thread.

In all seriousness, tons of people are not racist, most are perfectly fine with everyone. It is just a select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. AL Sharpton I'm looking at you.

I don't think it's "just a select few" that are racist. Openly racist, maybe, but I think that just because someone doesn't say "White Power" out loud as a greeting to everyone they meet doesn't mean they aren't a racist. Racism is generally more subliminal than that.

[The Conez Imperium]

At my school the black people are extremely racist towards everyone thats not black


I believe racism doesn't happen as much as everyone here seems to think

It's widely prevalent. What you just mentioned is an example of that. I don't think malicious racism is widespread, but subconsciously it's huge. We all have biases/stereotypes we hold against every ethnic group, intentionally or not, due to our culture -tv, movies, books, etc.

And that's the problem and it's a huge.

This video shows that subtle racism. Its quite sickening how subtle it can be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTyI41PvTk

[Thermodolia]

Oh look, another racism thread.

In all seriousness is tons of people are not racist most are perfectly fine with everyone it is just select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. L Sharpton I'm looking at you.

Al. Al Sharpton.

And while he's hardly the spokesperson I'd personally choose, I'm not sure exactly what you want black people to do when major racial issues come up. Not have someone who is willing to call for attention and say "This needs to be seen and discussed"? Not have someone lead the outcry against brutality or senseless killing? Or is it okay to do that if the person doesn't make a living through his work in the area?

Not saying that. What I'm saying is Al Sharpton tends to go about it in a not so great way kinda trying to stir up some things. Yes I know his name is Al. I'm just writing this on the go

[Mike the Progressive]

It's widely prevalent. What you just mentioned is an example of that. I don't think malicious racism is widespread, but subconsciously it's huge. We all have biases/stereotypes we hold against every ethnic group, intentionally or not, due to our culture -tv, movies, books, etc.

And that's the problem and it's a huge.

This video shows that subtle racism. Its quite sickening how subtle it can be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTyI41PvTk

Ha, trick question. The first one is a terrorist and that guy should have interrogated him Jack Bauer style until he admitted what he knew about the plot to kill President Palmer.

[Thermodolia]

Oh look, another racism thread.

In all seriousness, tons of people are not racist, most are perfectly fine with everyone. It is just a select few that love to stir up the pot and make money off of it. AL Sharpton I'm looking at you.

I don't think it's "just a select few" that are racist. Openly racist, maybe, but I think that just because someone doesn't say "White Power" out loud as a greeting to everyone they meet doesn't mean they aren't a racist. Racism is generally more subliminal than that.

I guess you're right. Whenever someone says racist I always think of the openly racist one not so much the subliminal racist. But racism does go both ways.