Race and Racism in The United States

[New Hampshire Republic]

By "dog-whistle language," you mean...?

I did take a look. I'm still not convinced that the U.S. is a backwards cesspool of racists and hicks.

No, we're a highly advanced cesspool of people who would never, ever consider themselves racists or hicks because they have black friends, and think that it's okay to say the most horribly racist things if you start off a sentence with "I'm not racist, but...."

Except for your drunk Uncle Jim at your Christmas party, who the hell actually does that and gets away with it?

[Barboneia]

I long for the days when race is irrelevant and we can accept everyone.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, we're a highly advanced cesspool of people who would never, ever consider themselves racists or hicks because they have black friends, and think that it's okay to say the most horribly racist things if you start off a sentence with "I'm not racist, but...."

Except for your drunk Uncle Jim at your Christmas party, who the hell actually does that and gets away with it?

You're new here. Give it a while.

[Mavorpen]

These are the scientific facts.

Oh, and just for the lulz, here are sources from actual people who study this topic (anthropologists and biologists) that have obliterated this specific book:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2935246
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/6 ... id=3739256
http://www.cjsonline.ca/articles/wahlsten.html
http://ant.sagepub.com/content/2/2/131
http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crs ... ushton.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0500509918
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap10.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7285701431
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(03)00040-0/abstract

You've literally cited one of the most negatively received works on this topic that's been torn apart and shredded for everything from shitty methodology to just plain containing concepts that had been disproven for years and written by one of the biggest jokes concerning this topic.

When are you people going to get new material?

[New Hampshire Republic]

Except for your drunk Uncle Jim at your Christmas party, who the hell actually does that and gets away with it?

You're new here. Give it a while.

By "here," you mean NSG, or...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're new here. Give it a while.

By "here," you mean NSG, or...

Yes. Or are you a new nation from an old player?

[New Hampshire Republic]

I long for the days when race is irrelevant and we can accept everyone.

God yes.

[Mavorpen]

Except for your drunk Uncle Jim at your Christmas party, who the hell actually does that and gets away with it?

You're new here. Give it a while.

To be fair, I haven't heard that one lately nearly as much as "I'm not racist, I'm not a part of the KKK!" Because people have convinced themselves that the only way to be racist is to be an outspoken white supremacist KKK member.

[New Hampshire Republic]

You're new here. Give it a while.

To be fair, I haven't heard that one lately nearly as much as "I'm not racist, I'm not a part of the KKK!" Because people have convinced themselves that the only way to be racist is to be an outspoken white supremacist KKK member.

I...I have yet to hear that one yet.

[Mushet]

Very pervasive

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

Not a serious problem at all.

Source?

I don't need a source for my opinion. My opinion is backed by my lower posts.

It can be fixed by the black population putting in more effort to moving away from the discriminatory profiles that they hate so much.

This is nonsensical gibberish.

The black community hates being discriminated against, just as any other community does. It's up to them to move away from these profiles. They get discriminated against for doing X and Y, and they hate this discrimination... yet they'll still continue to do X and Y.

I've seen blacks yell about how much they hate getting stereotyped for this and that, yet proceed to do that same thing then minutes later.

And of course, no actual evidence for this, I notice.

The blacks in my community talk about how much they hate being discriminated against. They talk about how much they hate being discriminated against for doing this or that, and they will proceed to do this or that.

Their community. It's nothing that 'we' as a society can do to fix it. It's entirely up to them.

Given that you've yet to identify a single problem that has its origins in the "community" rather than racism, this is bullshit.

Discrimination, incarceration rates, the fact that 1 in 3 black males will be arrested, the rate of black on white crime vs white on black crime, gang violence including blacks... vice versa.

Yes. I'm racist because of the facts that are presented.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Whats the joke?

The scientific backings which I have used in this thread details it.

Races don't biologically exist. Any attempt to back up racism with science is laughably stupid.

Certain lice can only attach to blacks hair, while certain lice can only attach to whites hair, etc. While 'white lice' can attach to blacks hair, it is much harder because the 'white lice' have legs designed through evolution to attach to white peoples hair. Therefore, blacks and whites have different hair formation.

http://newhair.com/procedures/fut/racial-variations/

I mean, that's just one fact. There's 600 pages waiting, but page 23 is really important in that source that I gave to you. All you really need to do is look at page 23 and I'll be satisfied.

Edit: Almost forgot sickle-cell anemia. 2 facts.

These are the scientific facts.

Aw, how cute, you think it's wise to cite a psychologist on a matter that is inherently biological, meanwhile here's what actual scientists involved in the field have to say:

-snip-

Have fun reading some actual science.[/quote]

"I dislike your source so it's not relevant to this argument". Okay.

Anyways, can I get a tl;dr? I'm not going to read all of that.

[New Hampshire Republic]

By "here," you mean NSG, or...

Yes. Or are you a new nation from an old player?

Yup. Used to own a little nation called Desperauex (I believe that it was around 2012 that I started that one.).

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes. Or are you a new nation from an old player?

Yup. Used to own a little nation called Desperauex (I believe that it was around 2012 that I started that one.).

If you haven't seen it here, then you're incredibly fortunate. Here's a collection from around the internet.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Yup. Used to own a little nation called Desperauex (I believe that it was around 2012 that I started that one.).

Well, if you haven't seen it here, you've been inordinately fortunate. http://www.notracistbut.com/Here's%20a%20site%20that%20collects%20the%20phrase%20from%20around%20the%20web.

That brings me to a page reading "this url could not be found."

I went to the main webpage, and it hasn't been updated since 2012.

[Master Shake]

I don't know if you heard, but we've elected Obama. Twice. We're living in a post-racial society now.

Bullshit!

How come more shit is hitting the fan under Obama then Bush?

More schools shootings and more police shootouts...

Chris Dorner was called racist names every day by his fellow officers until he snapped...but you say "Obama is here that can't happen because Obama says it can't happen"...BULLSHIT!

And this is coming from a white Hungarian male who has been profiled by the local police and beat by them twice in 20 years....

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well, if you haven't seen it here, you've been inordinately fortunate. http://www.notracistbut.com/Here's%20a%20site%20that%20collects%20the%20phrase%20from%20around%20the%20web.

That brings me to a page reading "this url could not be found."

I went to the main webpage, and it hasn't been updated since 2012.

Corrected the tags.

The fact that the site hasn't been updated for three years doesn't mean that the phrase has not been used since then. It simply means that the site owner lost interest in recording instances of it being used.

[United Russian Soviet States]

Racism is not common here.

[Mike the Progressive]

I don't know if you heard, but we've elected Obama. Twice. We're living in a post-racial society now.

Bullshit!

How come more shit is hitting the fan under Obama then Bush?

Gay marriage.

[Mavorpen]

I don't need a source for my opinion. My opinion is backed by my lower posts.

Yeah, no. You don't get to get off of posting bullshit like it's fact by saying "just my opinion, man!"

The black community hates being discriminated against, just as any other community does. It's up to them to move away from these profiles.

Yeah, see, they don't need to, because the profiles are bullshit in the first place.

They get discriminated against for doing X and Y, and they hate this discrimination... yet they'll still continue to do X and Y.

Because we're fucking humans and are as flawed as any person. If you sincerely believe that discrimination is valid until there are no black people who commit crimes, then you're delusional.

The blacks in my community talk about how much they hate being discriminated against. They talk about how much they hate being discriminated against for doing this or that, and they will proceed to do this or that.

And again, still no evidence, huh? I can understand why you're being vague as fuck.

Discrimination, incarceration rates, the fact that 1 in 3 black males will be arrested, the rate of black on white crime vs white on black crime, gang violence including blacks... vice versa.

And you'll continue to refuse to back up any of these things, right?

Whats the joke?

Nothing, it's just that I always find it hilarious when people who aren't involved with one of the two major fields that studies this stuff make downright incorrect claims and believe that science backs them up.

Certain lice can only attach to blacks hair, while certain lice can only attach to whites hair, etc.

Yeah, this is bullshit. It has nothing to do with the race of the person. Unless, you want to argue that redheads are a different race than blonds. Because blonds are the individuals at the biggest risk, and redheads have a significantly lower risk.

While 'white lice' can attach to blacks hair, it is much harder because the 'white lice' have legs designed through evolution to attach to white peoples hair. Therefore, blacks and whites have different hair formation.

HAHAHAHA.

No. Once again, there is utterly no differentiation of lice by whether they'll attach to the hair of a specific race or not.

I mean, that's just one fact.

You haven't posted a single fact.

There's 600 pages waiting, but page 23 is really important in that source that I gave to you. All you really need to do is look at page 23 and I'll be satisfied.

What source? The Rushton one?

"I dislike your source so it's not relevant to this argument". Okay.

Why don't you actually read? I didn't say it isn't relevant. I said that the source is just plain shitty and your beliefs have been refuted over and over by actual biologists and anthropologists.

Anyways, can I get a tl;dr? I'm not going to read all of that.

No. If me, a black person, is apparently of lower intelligence than white people, you can read it your damn self just as I did. I'm not going to baby you.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't know if you heard, but we've elected Obama. Twice. We're living in a post-racial society now.

Bullshit!

How come more shit is hitting the fan under Obama then Bush?

More schools shootings and more police shootouts...

Chris Dorner was called racist names every day by his fellow officers until he snapped...but you say "Obama is here that can't happen because Obama says it can't happen"...BULLSHIT!

And this is coming from a white Hungarian male who has been profiled by the local police and beat by them twice in 20 years....

First off, I suspect that Mike was being tongue in cheek in his statement.

Secondly, do you have evidence in the number of school shootings being on the rise, or that they're racially motivated?

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

I don't know if you heard, but we've elected Obama. Twice. We're living in a post-racial society now.

Bullshit!

How come more shit is hitting the fan under Obama then Bush?

Because Obama isn't doing his job properly, putting aside the Republican vs Democrat bias.

More schools shootings and more police shootouts...

Which neither are relevant to race.

Chris Dorner was called racist names every day by his fellow officers until he snapped...but you say "Obama is here that can't happen because Obama says it can't happen"...BULLSHIT!

They could have been joking with him. Even if they weren't, you can't call out a select few to make a stand for everyone.

[New Hampshire Republic]

That brings me to a page reading "this url could not be found."

I went to the main webpage, and it hasn't been updated since 2012.

Corrected the tags.

The fact that the site hasn't been updated for three years doesn't mean that the phrase has not been used since then. It simply means that the site owner lost interest in recording instances of it being used.

Of course it has been used...by people who are discredited and ostracized for it right after.

[The Conez Imperium]

I long for the days when race is irrelevant and we can accept everyone.

God yes.

Sometimes I wish for an alien species that wishes for the destruction of Humanity. Finally people will realise that "Hey this X race isn't so bad compared to that alien. Let's band together to kill it"

[Edgy Opinions]

Sometimes I wish for an alien species that wishes for the destruction of Humanity. Finally people will realise that "Hey this X race isn't so bad compared to that alien. Let's band together to kill it"

That would by no means bring the end of bigotry and oppression.

[Barboneia]

God yes.

Sometimes I wish for an alien species that wishes for the destruction of Humanity. Finally people will realise that "Hey this X race isn't so bad compared to that alien. Let's band together to kill it"

Don't we all at some point?