Race and Racism in The United States

[Busen]

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I will not adress to the rest of your crap with the exception of the last sentence. Why did a urban youth started to using drugs in the first place? Did the racist forced him to do so or did the gang culture made him to start use drugs?

[Eastern Equestria]

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In your theory there is a problem. Most NBA players are recruited from basketball university league. If your theory is crrect than most NBA players are to poor to get even to university level which means mot of them are middle class members.

Are the concept of athletic scholarships foreign to you?

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest.

Source that blacks were actually more prone to criminal activity and that this was the major reason banks refused to invest in black suburbs?

You know what, don't even bother because it's plain to see that you're just engaging in the same racist, bigoted, and above all groundless rationale that got America into this predicament in the first place.

You are also refering to the 1960 period and we are living in the year 2015.

It's almost like socioeconomic phenomenons from very recent history can greatly impact the present! Who'da thunk?

I mean, even Detriot used to be a heavan back in the 1960s, it also got some subsidity yet it did not help to turn into what is today.

Detroit is what it is today thanks in no small part to white flight.

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

Because that's not how real life works.

[Mavorpen]

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I will not adress to the rest of your crap with the exception of the last sentence.

Sorry, but ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

The sentence is my opinion that could be very true.

Nah, you don't get to get away with spewing bullshit and then run away shouting "just my opinion!" So again, source.

there is a black president, yet still is racism in society. So, than again if blacks and all hood in America dont receive any funds anymore and if the blacks turn out to be full of criminality would you still blame racism or will you aknowledge the problem is something else?

What in the hell are you saying? Speak English, please.

There are 13% according to wiki, still one in 10 Americans will always be black. No, that is not racism. There are many factor. The main would be this urban culture that promotes masculinity and violence.

No such culture exists so it can't possibly be a factor.

But even that would go away through years if the liberals stop being to paternalistic to them.

Something that doesn't exist can't go away.

Another factor is government depency.

Every single person is dependent on the government.

I mean I dont see any reason why such urban youth instead of throwing money into drugs invest it into I dont know some legal bussines.

So you don't know how addiction works. Okay.

Why did a urban youth started to using drugs in the first place?

The same reason non-urban youth start using drugs. The vast majority of first uses when it pertains to drugs happen in social gatherings. So it's largely just peer pressure. People don't just wake up one morning and say "Hm, I think I'll try meth today."

Did the racist forced him to do so or did the gang culture made him to start use drugs?

Neither, because white people use drugs at roughly the same rate as blacks, and there is no such thing as a gang culture in the sense that you use it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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In your theory there is a problem. Most NBA players are recruited from basketball university league. If your theory is crrect than most NBA players are to poor to get even to university level which means mot of them are middle class members.

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest. You are also refering to the 1960 period and we are living in the year 2015. I mean, even Detriot used to be a heavan back in the 1960s, it also got some subsidity yet it did not help to turn into what is today.

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

You do understand businesses don't work like that, correct?

I can't just go and say "fuck it I'll just start my own business".

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

In your theory there is a problem. Most NBA players are recruited from basketball university league. If your theory is crrect than most NBA players are to poor to get even to university level which means mot of them are middle class members.

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest. You are also refering to the 1960 period and we are living in the year 2015. I mean, even Detriot used to be a heavan back in the 1960s, it also got some subsidity yet it did not help to turn into what is today.

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

You do understand businesses don't work like that, correct?

I can't just go and say "fuck it I'll just start my own business".

Why don't the poor black people just buy factories and produce their own privilege so they can be equal to us? I mean, there's a black president, so clearly all racism is ended forever, right? Because the president's race is precisely indicative of which race dominates the social hierarchy (although that was the case until Obama was elected). Therefore, if they want to have jobs they can just do what we white people have done and push aside a large percentage of the populace to take the jobs for themselves.

[Saiwania]

Detroit is what it is today thanks in no small part to white flight.

It can't be denied that the White people of Detroit had every right to leave of their own volition. Any rational person at the time would've left when they realized that the automobile industry of America was drying up and that they can get more house and yard for their money outside of Detroit.

[Master Shake]

Detroit is what it is today thanks in no small part to white flight.

It can't be denied that the White people of Detroit had every right to leave of their own volition. Any rational person at the time would've left when they realized that the automobile industry of America was drying up and that they can get more house and yard for their money outside of Detroit.

Eastern Equestria just wants to ignore the fact that economics are a more driving force then racism...

[Mavorpen]

It can't be denied that the White people of Detroit had every right to leave of their own volition. Any rational person at the time would've left when they realized that the automobile industry of America was drying up and that they can get more house and yard for their money outside of Detroit.

Eastern Equestria just wants to ignore the fact that economics are a more driving force then racism...

No, Eastern Equestria just realizes that "economics" have causes and wealth disparities on a racial basis don't just happen out of thin air.

[Eastern Equestria]

Detroit is what it is today thanks in no small part to white flight.

It can't be denied that the White people of Detroit had every right to leave of their own volition. Any rational person at the time would've left when they realized that the automobile industry of America was drying up and that they can get more house and yard for their money outside of Detroit.

Did you even read the source in the post you just quoted? Or know anything about white flight? It had everything to do with black migration to Detroit, desegregation, and the racial tensions that those developments begot. Essentially Detroit's white population decided that they didn't want to live in a city full of uppity blacks. And when you consider that white flight had long since been underway by the time Detroit's auto industry began to noticeably flop, and hit a peak after the race riots of 1967, this line of reasoning you've fabricated for white emigration comes across as bullshit.

[Eastern Equestria]

It can't be denied that the White people of Detroit had every right to leave of their own volition. Any rational person at the time would've left when they realized that the automobile industry of America was drying up and that they can get more house and yard for their money outside of Detroit.

Eastern Equestria just wants to ignore the fact that economics are a more driving force then racism...

Would you care to expand on how the two are mutually exclusive, even though economics by definition is the study of how social behavior guides societies in their allocation of resources to meet their member's demands?

[Saiwania]

Did you even read the source in the post you just quoted? Or know anything about white flight? It had everything to do with black migration to Detroit, desegregation, and the racial tensions that those developments begot. Essentially Detroit's white population decided that they didn't want to live in a city full of uppity blacks. And when you consider that white flight had long since been underway by the time Detroit's auto industry began to noticeably flop, and hit a peak after the race riots of 1967, this line of reasoning you've fabricated for white emigration comes across as bullshit.

The point still stands, Blacks don't have an inherent right to live next to Whites anymore than vice versa. The racial makeup of a community will evolve towards whichever direction it takes. The White people had the money and means to move to a better place from their perspective, so I say good for them.

[Mavorpen]

Did you even read the source in the post you just quoted? Or know anything about white flight? It had everything to do with black migration to Detroit, desegregation, and the racial tensions that those developments begot. Essentially Detroit's white population decided that they didn't want to live in a city full of uppity blacks. And when you consider that white flight had long since been underway by the time Detroit's auto industry began to noticeably flop, and hit a peak after the race riots of 1967, this line of reasoning you've fabricated for white emigration comes across as bullshit.

The point still stands, Blacks don't have an inherent right to live next to Whites anymore than vice versa. The racial makeup of a community will evolve towards whichever direction it takes. The White people had the money and means to move to a better place from their perspective, so I say good for them.

Actually, they do. If a black person has the money, they in fact do have the right to live next to a white person and not be denied that because of their race. It's illegal for the housing market to discriminate. I realize you're stuck in the 1960s, but try to keep up with current events.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Did you even read the source in the post you just quoted? Or know anything about white flight? It had everything to do with black migration to Detroit, desegregation, and the racial tensions that those developments begot. Essentially Detroit's white population decided that they didn't want to live in a city full of uppity blacks. And when you consider that white flight had long since been underway by the time Detroit's auto industry began to noticeably flop, and hit a peak after the race riots of 1967, this line of reasoning you've fabricated for white emigration comes across as bullshit.

The point still stands, Blacks don't have an inherent right to live next to Whites anymore than vice versa. The racial makeup of a community will evolve towards whichever direction it takes. The White people had the money and means to move to a better place from their perspective, so I say good for them.

I can, in fact, move to a white community if I have the money.

This idea that I cannot/shouldn't because of my racial makeup is as stupid as thinking that I shouldn't or can't buy houses among a bunch of Libras just because I'm an Aries.

[Saiwania]

Actually, they do. If a black person has the money, they in fact do have the right to live next to a white person and not be denied that because of their race. It's illegal for the housing market to discriminate. I realize you're stuck in the 1960s, but try to keep up with current events.

Like I said, if people are voluntarily moving to areas where they're in the majority, nothing can really be done about that, it is their money and choice. If minorities try to follow, they could pack up and move again.

[Mavorpen]

Actually, they do. If a black person has the money, they in fact do have the right to live next to a white person and not be denied that because of their race. It's illegal for the housing market to discriminate. I realize you're stuck in the 1960s, but try to keep up with current events.

Like I said, if people are voluntarily moving to areas where they're in the majority, nothing can really be done about that, it is their money and choice. If minorities try to follow, they could pack up and move again.

That's cute, but the vast majority of people aren't going to have the financial means to move every few years just because some minorities enter the neighborhood.

[Eastern Equestria]

Did you even read the source in the post you just quoted? Or know anything about white flight? It had everything to do with black migration to Detroit, desegregation, and the racial tensions that those developments begot. Essentially Detroit's white population decided that they didn't want to live in a city full of uppity blacks. And when you consider that white flight had long since been underway by the time Detroit's auto industry began to noticeably flop, and hit a peak after the race riots of 1967, this line of reasoning you've fabricated for white emigration comes across as bullshit.

The point still stands, Blacks don't have an inherent right to live next to Whites anymore than vice versa.

Your point was that white flight was expedited by the decline of Detroit's auto-industry, which I've shown you to be false. Now your claim is that blacks don't have the right to live next to whites, which doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

The racial makeup of a community will evolve towards whichever direction it takes. The White people had the money and means to move to a better place from their perspective, so I say good for them.

And by "a better place" you of course mean "a place with less black people", right? Nope, no bigotry to be found here, folks.

[Saiwania]

That's cute, but the vast majority of people aren't going to have the financial means to move every few years just because some minorities enter the neighborhood.

Whites in general don't whine and cry about "Black flight" when it occurs, so why don't Blacks instead ask say- Asians to live next to them instead? Asians have a higher household income than Whites in the US. What is with this obsession of never letting "White flight" be left alone but conveniently ignoring when alternate forms of racial flight occur?

[Mavorpen]

The point still stands, Blacks don't have an inherent right to live next to Whites anymore than vice versa.

Your point was that white flight was expedited by the decline of Detroit's auto-industry, which I've shown you to be false. Now your claim is that blacks don't have the right to live next to whites, which doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.

The racial makeup of a community will evolve towards whichever direction it takes. The White people had the money and means to move to a better place from their perspective, so I say good for them.

And by "a better place" you of course mean "a place with less black people", right? Nope, no bigotry to be found here, folks.

It's not like he denies being a bigot, you know. He self identifies as a racist.

[Mavorpen]

Whites in general don't whine and cry about "Black flight" when it occurs,

Because if it happens they won't take the wealth and resources with them.

so why don't Blacks instead ask say- Asians to live next to them instead?

We don't ask anyone to live next to us. We ask for the right to move where we want to be maintained.

Asians have a higher household income than Whites in the US.

Irrelevant. This is only true because Asians typically have more working individuals in one household. Per capita income (average personal income on an individual basis) for Asians is actually lower.

What is with this obsession of never letting "White flight" be left alone but conveniently ignoring when alternate forms of racial flight occur?

Considering this is bullshit you've made up, I don't see a problem here.

[Eastern Equestria]

Your point was that white flight was expedited by the decline of Detroit's auto-industry, which I've shown you to be false. Now your claim is that blacks don't have the right to live next to whites, which doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.



And by "a better place" you of course mean "a place with less black people", right? Nope, no bigotry to be found here, folks.

It's not like he denies being a bigot, you know. He self identifies as a racist.

All the more reason to lambaste his worthless conjectures.

[The Conez Imperium]

That's cute, but the vast majority of people aren't going to have the financial means to move every few years just because some minorities enter the neighborhood.

Whites in general don't whine and cry about "Black flight" when it occurs, so why don't Blacks instead ask say- Asians to live next to them instead? Asians have a higher household income than Whites in the US. What is with this obsession of never letting "White flight" be left alone but conveniently ignoring when alternate forms of racial flight occur?

Because as bluntly as I can say "who cares". You live in a white/western dominated world. No one really cares what happens in "black"/Non-Western Africa. It stems partly from racism.

[Saiwania]

I am always going to assert that there is nothing wrong with White flight, Black flight, or any other kind of mass migration of majorities to elsewhere if they so desire. It is their money and a city has no right to coerce anybody into staying if they want to leave. It is a city's problem if they can't get a new tax base, not the property owners that are leaving. I intend to partake in White flight myself one of these days.

http://www.fastcoexist.com/3034752/whit ... es-anymore
Here is some proof that White flight is alive and well and that I won't be the only one who cares about moving to where my people be in the majority.

[Gauthier]

Wow. People actually going "There is no racism, we have a black President." That's just "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" on a national scale.

Let's conveniently forget that up until the black man became President we had no small amount of people insisting he was an illegal foreign Muslim who should thus be disqualified from becoming President.

And even after he became President, people still whining that he was really an illegal foreign Muslim who should thus be disqualified from becoming President.

[The Conez Imperium]

I am always going to assert that there is nothing wrong with White flight, Black flight, or any other kind of mass migration of majorities to elsewhere if they so desire. It is their money and a city has no right to coerce anybody into staying if they want to leave. It is a city's problem if they can't get a new tax base, not the property owners that are leaving. I intend to partake in White flight myself one of these days.

http://www.fastcoexist.com/3034752/whit ... es-anymore
Here is some proof that White flight is alive and well and that I won't be the only one who cares about moving to where my people be in the majority.

Don't worry come to Australia, we have this fantastic policy where only white people can live in our country! It's amazing you can walk down the street and not encounter anyone without black skin. Ahh I love it when I am totally oblivious to the rest of the Human race and when I can only see people with the same skin colour and shade as mine. What am amazing society Australia was.

[Patridam]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/us/07baltimore.html?pagewanted=all
http://uar.sagepub.com/content/36/4/452.short
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 98.9521322
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2 ... id=4&uid=2

I assume based off your sources you have some sort of college-provided premium access, as I do.
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src ... opp/FHLaws
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4 ... 256&uid=62

I'll repeat one of my earlier responses: stop fucking lying. You don't HAVE any evidence. Not a single shred of evidence. And you know that. So you're sticking to this stupid caricature of my argument to avoid the burden of proof you have. I'll ask this up front: give me evidence that the disparity in arrests and convictions don't have to do with racism and is because they commit more of the crimes that profiling seeks to prevent. I've given you possible sources of avenue for you to look for. You have NO excuse to continue your pathetic dodging of the burden of proof.

I would appreciate it if you would consider ceasing your swearing.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -about-bl/

Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks com­mitted more than half of all murders in the United States.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... ericans-1/

In 2011, black males 15-34 were 10 times more likely to die of murder than whites of the same age group.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/cr ... -and-media

These and the rest of the eight million stories in the naked city inspired Maryland legislator Pat McDonough to ask that Baltimore be declared a “No-Travel-Zone.” After all, wrote Flaherty, “Police will not arrest black criminals. Juries will not convict them,” and a correspondent told him, “Anyone who isn’t black is a target.” But Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake doesn’t want to return to the days of “mass arrests.” She loves being able to say that crime is “down.”

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=14864

In 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.