Race and Racism in The United States

[Mavorpen]

Stop lying. Quotas have been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

really? It seems SCOTUS is racist and hate the "poor" blacks.

I get it, you don't understand what the word "racist" means.

[Master Shake]

No he is right. If your white and make a comment that is slightly negative about another person and they aren't white then wait for the race card to be played...

I'm not even going to go into the details, but the majority of white people will agree with me on this one...

Hell if your a southern born person then your automatically a racist since there is a 5% chance your great great great grandpa might've of owned a slave...

So that's a no, you can't demonstrate that he's right.

How can anyone demonstrate the validity of his statement without documenting every instance I, or others, have been called racist?

Maybe we need a poll on the matter?

[Mavorpen]

How can anyone demonstrate the validity of his statement without documenting every instance I, or others, have been called racist?

Not even that would demonstrate anything. Anecdotes aren't data.

[Busen]

really? It seems SCOTUS is racist and hate the "poor" blacks.

I get it, you don't understand what the word "racist" means.

No, I a just sarcastic and paroding the liberals. Since they are complaing about racism on every corner I would not wonder is SCOTUS has suddenly a white bias. Also, it seems there are quotas after all.


https://cei.org/blog/obama-administrati ... ne-oakland

[Mavorpen]

I get it, you don't understand what the word "racist" means.

No, I a just sarcastic and paroding the liberals.

In order to parody something, you need to actually understand it. You clearly don't understand racism.

Since they are complaing about racism on every corner I would not wonder is SCOTUS has suddenly a white bias.

And you've yet to demonstrate anything of the sort happening.

Also, it seems there are quotas after all.

No there aren't.

https://cei.org/blog/obama-administrati ... ne-oakland

Yep, just like I thought, no actual quotas.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I get it, you don't understand what the word "racist" means.

No, I a just sarcastic and paroding the liberals. Since they are complaing about racism on every corner I would not wonder is SCOTUS has suddenly a white bias. Also, it seems there are quotas after all.


https://cei.org/blog/obama-administrati ... ne-oakland

A blog, seriously?

Also, that's not a quota. It is exactly the opposite and ensuring teachers find alternative methods of correction, as they very well should.

[Eastern Equestria]

That they're overrepresented in prisons and the criminal justice system, even when they're actually committing crimes at the same rate as white people. You have actually read the thread, right?

By that logic, the blacks are overpresented in the NBA league. If the prison system is the indication that they are racial discriminated than whites are discriminated in the NBA and some other basketball sport franchise. We could agree that they are overpresented in the prison system because of racism but that would also mean that whites are discriminated in the NBA and the gov should also do something against that as well.

Just look the US national basketball team. It does not represents all races that live in America.

The disproportionate amount of blacks in the NBA can be directly linked to the level socioeconomic disparity that still exists between blacks and whites in the United States. And it got this way because of, you guessed it, institutional racism. Allow me to refer to a post written earlier in this thread to further elaborate:

The FHA and bank loans of the 1940s-60s that led to the development of the modern suburb were rather notably biased against blacks, simply because a black family in a neighborhood drove prices down and anything other than an all-white suburb was seen as an unsafe investment by any number of private banks and even the US government. It got to the point where banks would refuse to provide any sort of capital for the development or improvement of what were seen as 'red zone' neighborhoods - i.e. inner city black neighborhoods. There were a smattering of mainly black suburbs, but those were the exception rather than the rule. Thus blacks were stuck in the inner city, where opportunities dried up and investment was all but disappeared.

While the FHA and banks are no longer doing such reprehensible things, the racism of 60 years ago has placed us in the modern predicament with no easy solution.

Basketball is the sport of choice for inner city blacks because it's considerably cheaper to play and learn than say, baseball. Hence why there are startlingly more African Americans in the NBA than there are in MLB. It really does just come down to the fact that very large portions of the African American community are walled off from other sports due to economic factors. Economic factors whose roots were sewn with racism.

[Master Shake]

How can anyone demonstrate the validity of his statement without documenting every instance I, or others, have been called racist?

Not even that would demonstrate anything. Anecdotes aren't data.

Yeah, because my word or others can't be trusted.

I was saying that every instance I had went through should have been video taped so there is no miscommunication. Well you liberals will get your way once there is a camera in every class/job site and corner like 1984!

[Mavorpen]

Not even that would demonstrate anything. Anecdotes aren't data.

Yeah, because my word or others can't be trusted.

Pretty much. It's why we require scientists to publish their research in a peer reviewed media to be taken seriously, so that it can be repeated.

I was saying that every instance I had went through should have been video taped so there is no miscommunication. Well you liberals will get your way once there is a camera in every class/job site and corner like 1984!

You people keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'd like you to prove that to me. Did you even read my OP?

No he is right. If your white and make a comment that is slightly negative about another person and they aren't white then wait for the race card to be played...

I'm not even going to go into the details, but the majority of white people will agree with me on this one...

Hell if your a southern born person then your automatically a racist since there is a 5% chance your great great great grandpa might've of owned a slave...

Problem here is that it wasn't until the fucking 1960s blatant racism was regarded a problem.

Also, it's not the fact you make a negative comment about another person, it's that you make such a comment and then say "no fucking wonder, he's black" that triggers most people. I'm Hispanic, and I have never been called out for being racist by either whites, or blacks, or other Hispanics, or Arabs, or Asians, so I might be doing something you're not doing right. Oh, and in case you mention it, I could very well pass as an American white person.

Just because someone is a racist asshole doesn't mean we think of everyone in a group as a racist asshole. You are not guilty by association, but socially white people have certain advantages other classes of people do not, and that's a fact that's unavoidable. That doesn't mean you're racist, but that you should be aware of your position in life and understand that not everyone shares your background and perspective in life and that there are times when subtle social clues tell someone else what you really think.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not even that would demonstrate anything. Anecdotes aren't data.

Yeah, because my word or others can't be trusted.

I was saying that every instance I had went through should have been video taped so there is no miscommunication. Well you liberals will get your way once there is a camera in every class/job site and corner like 1984!

I'm center right, so you can't play the "you liberal!" card on me.

And I do see the point of Mav, that you can't is telling. And it's not that we don't trust you, it's that you're missing the forest for clinging to a tree.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So that's a no, you can't demonstrate that he's right.

How can anyone demonstrate the validity of his statement without documenting every instance I, or others, have been called racist?

Maybe we need a poll on the matter?

The problem is that there is implicit racial biases and explicit racial biases.

You don't have to dress in white and wear a pointy hat to have racial biases.

[Busen]

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In your theory there is a problem. Most NBA players are recruited from basketball university league. If your theory is crrect than most NBA players are to poor to get even to university level which means mot of them are middle class members.

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest. You are also refering to the 1960 period and we are living in the year 2015. I mean, even Detriot used to be a heavan back in the 1960s, it also got some subsidity yet it did not help to turn into what is today.

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

[Master Shake]

Just because someone is a racist asshole doesn't mean we think of everyone in a group as a racist asshole. You are not guilty by association, but socially white people have certain advantages other classes of people do not, and that's a fact that's unavoidable. That doesn't mean you're racist, but that you should be aware of your position in life and understand that not everyone shares your background and perspective in life and that there are times when subtle social clues tell someone else what you really think.

Not to be disrespectful, but my family did not have an benefits due to the color of our skin. We lived in a shitty apartment barely making ends meet and drinking powered milk and eating welfare cheese. Also my mom's side were Hungarians escaping the communist invasion by the Red Army. They worked hard for everything they got in life. My dad was just lazy and my mom was a drug addict. However, I have met those rich kids who think like you describe above...

Hell I'm living in a garage at work and I rent a hotel room once a week for when I need to shower. I'm not a privileged white guy.

[Mavorpen]

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest.

So then white neighborhoods shouldn't get investments either? Because after all there's statistically going to be more white criminals than blacks for the majority of types of crimes.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

How can anyone demonstrate the validity of his statement without documenting every instance I, or others, have been called racist?

Maybe we need a poll on the matter?

The problem is that there is implicit racial biases and explicit racial biases.

You don't have to dress in white and wear a pointy hat to have racial biases.

The problem with demonizing a concept is that people think that only the demons can be associated with it. Put another way, racism is known to be such an inherently bad thing that people assume only inherently bad people can display it. This extends to the line of thinking "well, only bad people are racists, and I'm not a bad person, therefore I can't be racist." The logic is sound but the premise is flawed. It's entirely possible to be racist in subtle ways without being registered with the Klan. I've caught myself being minorly racist, getting nervous around minorities and other small things, despite actively fighting racism when I see it. It doesn't make me a racist to think racist things as long as I acknowledge those thoughts as bad and try to improve in the future.

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In your theory there is a problem. Most NBA players are recruited from basketball university league. If your theory is crrect than most NBA players are to poor to get even to university level which means mot of them are middle class members.

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest. You are also refering to the 1960 period and we are living in the year 2015. I mean, even Detriot used to be a heavan back in the 1960s, it also got some subsidity yet it did not help to turn into what is today.

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

The bolded: is that an actual joke or do you honestly think a loan from a private bank is in any way government assistance?

[Mavorpen]

The bolded: is that an actual joke or do you honestly think a loan from a private bank is in any way government assistance?

"Why can't the poor just buy more money?"

[Busen]

Well, banks refusing to invest in black suburb. Sorry, but if they had no tendency to develop criminal activity than it would not be a problem for investors to invest.

So then white neighborhoods shouldn't get investments either? Because after all there's statistically going to be more white criminals than blacks for the majority of types of crimes.

Go ahead. Stop the subsiding but the bitter truth would be that whites suburbs will be better off and than you will find another scapegoat. It is normal that the whites are majority in types of crime since they are a majority of the country. What is not normal is that blacks are overpresented in crime despite being only 10% of the country.

[Master Shake]

But here also another solution. Why are the population of such suburbs unable to create their own firm and became rich? Why are they so government addicted?

The bolded: is that an actual joke or do you honestly think a loan from a private bank is in any way government assistance?

Well the banks are considered "to big to fail" and get bailed out every time they fuck up...

Yeah the banks maybe private, but they are getting Government money...not sure what you would call that, but I consider that pretty close to a State owned enterprise...

We should have let those idiots collapse!

[Mavorpen]

Go ahead. Stop the subsiding but the bitter truth would be that whites suburbs will be better off and than you will find another scapegoat.

Source?

It is normal that the whites are majority in types of crime since they are a majority of the country. What is not normal is that blacks are overpresented in crime despite being only 10% of the country.

Blacks aren't 10% of the country. But you're right, it's not normal. Racism does that.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just because someone is a racist asshole doesn't mean we think of everyone in a group as a racist asshole. You are not guilty by association, but socially white people have certain advantages other classes of people do not, and that's a fact that's unavoidable. That doesn't mean you're racist, but that you should be aware of your position in life and understand that not everyone shares your background and perspective in life and that there are times when subtle social clues tell someone else what you really think.

Not to be disrespectful, but my family did not have an benefits due to the color of our skin. We lived in a shitty apartment barely making ends meet and drinking powered milk and eating welfare cheese. Also my mom's side were Hungarians escaping the communist invasion by the Red Army. They worked hard for everything they got in life. My dad was just lazy and my mom was a drug addict. However, I have met those rich kids who think like you describe above...

Hell I'm living in a garage at work and I rent a hotel room once a week for when I need to shower. I'm not a privileged white guy.

Then you don't apply for my point. You're the exception if you don't use racial slurs or think in negative ways towards other races.

That doesn't mean, however, that the problem is not widespread. Just the other day I was getting my books at my bookstore and I heard the guy who was attending go "well you can ask that black guy". It's not a big deal, but I'd have used "you see the guy with the white vest?" instead.

Like I said, it's not a HUGE deal and I didn't call him out on it, but when you're aware of race as a racially blind person then you can't help but notice those things.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The bolded: is that an actual joke or do you honestly think a loan from a private bank is in any way government assistance?

Well the banks are considered "to big to fail" and get bailed out every time they fuck up...

Yeah the banks maybe private, but they are getting Government money...not sure what you would call that, but I consider that pretty close to a State owned enterprise...

We should have let those idiots collapse!

Not to be an ass, but you broke the nesting and it appears like I've said the above.

Just a small note, I didn't say that people are government addicted. To clarify.

[Busen]

Source?

The sentence is my opinion that could be very true.

there is a black president, yet still is racism in society. So, than again if blacks and all hood in America dont receive any funds anymore and if the blacks turn out to be full of criminality would you still blame racism or will you aknowledge the problem is something else?

Blacks aren't 10% of the country. But you're right, it's not normal. Racism does that.

There are 13% according to wiki, still one in 10 Americans will always be black. No, that is not racism. There are many factor. The main would be this urban culture that promotes masculinity and violence. But even that would go away through years if the liberals stop being to paternalistic to them.

Another factor is government depency. I mean I dont see any reason why such urban youth instead of throwing money into drugs invest it into I dont know some legal bussines.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The problem is that there is implicit racial biases and explicit racial biases.

You don't have to dress in white and wear a pointy hat to have racial biases.

The problem with demonizing a concept is that people think that only the demons can be associated with it. Put another way, racism is known to be such an inherently bad thing that people assume only inherently bad people can display it. This extends to the line of thinking "well, only bad people are racists, and I'm not a bad person, therefore I can't be racist." The logic is sound but the premise is flawed. It's entirely possible to be racist in subtle ways without being registered with the Klan. I've caught myself being minorly racist, getting nervous around minorities and other small things, despite actively fighting racism when I see it. It doesn't make me a racist to think racist things as long as I acknowledge those thoughts as bad and try to improve in the future.

Quite.

[Mavorpen]

Source?

The sentence is my opinion that could be very true.

Nah, you don't get to get away with spewing bullshit and then run away shouting "just my opinion!" So again, source.

there is a black president, yet still is racism in society. So, than again if blacks and all hood in America dont receive any funds anymore and if the blacks turn out to be full of criminality would you still blame racism or will you aknowledge the problem is something else?

What in the hell are you saying? Speak English, please.

There are 13% according to wiki, still one in 10 Americans will always be black. No, that is not racism. There are many factor. The main would be this urban culture that promotes masculinity and violence.

No such culture exists so it can't possibly be a factor.

But even that would go away through years if the liberals stop being to paternalistic to them.

Something that doesn't exist can't go away.

Another factor is government depency.

Every single person is dependent on the government.

I mean I dont see any reason why such urban youth instead of throwing money into drugs invest it into I dont know some legal bussines.

So you don't know how addiction works. Okay.