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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Busen wrote:There are certain racist individuals in the US but they are in minority and have no influence. However, there is no institutionalized racism in the governments, states and mainstream media; so that is what is only important.

The liberals are using racism to spread fear and justify ideology just like Hitler used to say that there is some International Jewish conspiracy that he needs to protect the people so are liberals using racism to fear blacks that KKK might come in power if they dont vote for them.


Except that unlike Hitler, there are actual studies--many in this very thread--that show troubling continuing racist trends in society.

What trends? That blacks are underepsented in government in police?

Blacks make up 10-12% of the US population, how many of them should they be represented there? Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:52 pm

Busen wrote:Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.

Nope. Why would it be?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:So wait a second. You're comparing liberals to Hitler by stating they're spreading fear to justify their ideology thus trying to spread fear and justify your ideology and stating there's a liberal conspiracy, just like Hitler.

What a fantastic display of hypocrisy. I applaud you.

To be clear every political group is doing that. The republicans are doing it with screaming socialism at every harmless thing but the Democrats are using it far more than everybody else.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:54 pm

Busen wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So wait a second. You're comparing liberals to Hitler by stating they're spreading fear to justify their ideology thus trying to spread fear and justify your ideology and stating there's a liberal conspiracy, just like Hitler.

What a fantastic display of hypocrisy. I applaud you.

To be clear every political group is doing that. The republicans are doing it with screaming socialism at every harmless thing but the Democrats are using it far more than everybody else.

I'm sure that's true in whatever alternate reality you reside in.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:56 pm

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I was being sarcastic. But it's still racist especially if it is said to a white person. Just like calling a black person a nigger is still racist even though your not racist towards blacks.

If you call a black person a nigger, odds are you're racist towards black people.


My point is any racial slur is well...racial.
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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:59 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Busen wrote:Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.

Nope. Why would it be?

Maybe because more than 50%+ majority is not racist?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:59 pm

Busen wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Except that unlike Hitler, there are actual studies--many in this very thread--that show troubling continuing racist trends in society.

What trends? That blacks are underepsented in government in police?

Blacks make up 10-12% of the US population, how many of them should they be represented there? Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.


That they're overrepresented in prisons and the criminal justice system, even when they're actually committing crimes at the same rate as white people. You have actually read the thread, right?

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:01 pm

Busen wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Nope. Why would it be?

Maybe because more than 50%+ majority is not racist?

Okay. And? Explicit and conscious racists who self identify as white supremacists haven't been a concern for years. You're stuck in the 1960s. It's 2015 already.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:02 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Busen wrote:To be clear every political group is doing that. The republicans are doing it with screaming socialism at every harmless thing but the Democrats are using it far more than everybody else.

I'm sure that's true in whatever alternate reality you reside in.

Does every post you make have to be snarly? Come on.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:03 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'm sure that's true in whatever alternate reality you reside in.

Does every post you make have to be snarly? Come on.

Yes.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:04 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Busen wrote:What trends? That blacks are underepsented in government in police?

Blacks make up 10-12% of the US population, how many of them should they be represented there? Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.


That they're overrepresented in prisons and the criminal justice system, even when they're actually committing crimes at the same rate as white people. You have actually read the thread, right?

By that logic, the blacks are overpresented in the NBA league. If the prison system is the indication that they are racial discriminated than whites are discriminated in the NBA and some other basketball sport franchise. We could agree that they are overpresented in the prison system because of racism but that would also mean that whites are discriminated in the NBA and the gov should also do something against that as well.

Just look the US national basketball team. It does not represents all races that live in America.
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Postby Skappola » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:05 pm

:roll: We elected Barack Obama twice and you're still complaining about racism? God, next you're going to claim that women are discriminated too.
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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:08 pm

Skappola wrote::roll: We elected Barack Obama twice and you're still complaining about racism? God, next you're going to claim that women are discriminated too.
This was sarcasm, in case you can't tell.

As said they need a boogeyman to justfy themselfs.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:09 pm

Busen wrote:
Skappola wrote::roll: We elected Barack Obama twice and you're still complaining about racism? God, next you're going to claim that women are discriminated too.
This was sarcasm, in case you can't tell.

As said they need a boogeyman to justfy themselfs.

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
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Postby Skappola » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:14 pm

Busen wrote:
Skappola wrote::roll: We elected Barack Obama twice and you're still complaining about racism? God, next you're going to claim that women are discriminated too.
This was sarcasm, in case you can't tell.

As said they need a boogeyman to justfy themselfs.

Did you ignore the note saying:
This was sarcasm, in case you can't tell

or did you just quote and respond to the post so quickly that you didn't notice it?
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:15 pm

Busen wrote: Also, the president is black which is a great achievement but still that is not enough for you.

Seriously? I hope to God you're not being serious. Just because there's a black president doesn't mean this is a post-racial America.
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:21 pm

Busen wrote:We could agree that they are overpresented in the prison system because of racism but that would also mean that whites are discriminated in the NBA and the gov should also do something against that as well.

I don't think the NBA is more important than our prison systems. Think that through again. Sports are sports, and there's more than just basketball, but our prison and criminal justice systems are something far beyond that.
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:23 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:Racism isn't really that ''widespread''. Accusing people of being racist on the other hand is common.

I'd like you to prove that to me. Did you even read my OP?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:25 pm

I don't think racism would be an issue if institutions that suffer from racism were replaced. Without a state or a militant organization, racism has no teeth, thus no influence.
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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:25 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Busen wrote:We could agree that they are overpresented in the prison system because of racism but that would also mean that whites are discriminated in the NBA and the gov should also do something against that as well.

I don't think the NBA is more important than our prison systems. Think that through again. Sports are sports, and there's more than just basketball, but our prison and criminal justice systems are something far beyond that.

Still, but there are quotas in firms, education system and all aspects of live. I hope you are consistal enough to condem the overpresenatation of blacks in sports. If you do not do it people might think you are racist.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:26 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:I don't think racism would be an issue if institutions that suffer from racism were replaced. Without a state or a militant organization, racism has no teeth, thus no influence.

Could you stop trying to threadjack? If you want to go babble about the state do it elsewhere, please.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:26 pm

Busen wrote:Still, but there are quotas in firms, education system and all aspects of live.

Stop lying. Quotas have been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.
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Postby Master Shake » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:29 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Racism isn't really that ''widespread''. Accusing people of being racist on the other hand is common.

I'd like you to prove that to me. Did you even read my OP?


No he is right. If your white and make a comment that is slightly negative about another person and they aren't white then wait for the race card to be played...

I'm not even going to go into the details, but the majority of white people will agree with me on this one...

Hell if your a southern born person then your automatically a racist since there is a 5% chance your great great great grandpa might've of owned a slave...
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Postby Busen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:29 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Busen wrote:Still, but there are quotas in firms, education system and all aspects of live.

Stop lying. Quotas have been ruled unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

really? It seems SCOTUS is racist and hate the "poor" blacks.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:30 pm

Master Shake wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:I'd like you to prove that to me. Did you even read my OP?


No he is right. If your white and make a comment that is slightly negative about another person and they aren't white then wait for the race card to be played...

I'm not even going to go into the details, but the majority of white people will agree with me on this one...

Hell if your a southern born person then your automatically a racist since there is a 5% chance your great great great grandpa might've of owned a slave...

So that's a no, you can't demonstrate that he's right.
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