Race and Racism in The United States

[Desperate Measures]

A country founded in white nationalist beliefs that had a 90% white population at the peak of its racist sentiment not many decades ago has major problems of white supremacist portions of populace oppressing the disadvantaged minorities? Color me shocked!

Abolitionnists existed back then, and if you consider this factor, then all of Europe should be racist.
Also, the US have come a long way since 1776.No more slavery or segregation, women can vote, etc...


On the subject of racism, yes it is a problem and yes it needs to be adressed.I wouldn't say it is engrained very deep for that America always received new kinds of immigrants and thus at every "wave" of immigrants the previous one became racist toward the new one.As an influx of minorities come, I think there won't be any majority in the country soon, for that white people will "only" be the dominant minority.

I think that in order to have less racial profiling there needs to be some more diversity in the police force.Have a majority African-American police precinct for African-American areas and the problem will be gone, for exemple.But that may look like segregation and the "separate and equal" stuff which is also a problem.

Wasn't there studies done that show that racial profiling occurs even if the police officer is black? I'm not sure the solution is that simple.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

The system is rigged to SPECIFICALLY target black males and other minorities, keep them oppressed and down, and keep the whites superior, as usual.

No it's not.

Take it from me. My mom got stopped by a cop in the middle of a road trip right in the middle of racistville North Carolina, to visit my grandmother's grave.

Racistville? I'm not sure what that's supposed to be.

He said, "Ma'am, in the state of North Carolina, law requires that you stop at a red light" or some other idiotic bullshit in his southern accent.

Of course. Anyone who has taken a drivers education course should know this.

He gave my mom a warning. If it wasn't so late, and if we weren't in the car, she'd probably have gotten a ticket by Mr. Copper, or who knows.

Or maybe he was just nice enough to not give you a ticket because running a red light isn't as bad as going past a stopped school-bus unloading children. That system putting you down pretty bad, huh?

Now, I'm not saying that I hate whites. Not all whites are racists, but most racists in America are white. On the contrary, Not all blacks are gun-toting illiterate gangsters, just most blacks are, in my area (atlanta).

Going to need a source with most whites being racists. If you can't provide one, then it's just an asinine assumption.

Also, Blacks can be racist too. -points to self-

I may be a racist, but I can use logic in my posts whenever racial debates come up.

[Arcanda]

Also, Blacks can be racist too. -points to self-

Now, I don't know if that was a joke.But if you are a racist while being Black, then how do you expect white people that are already racist to change their mind?
Because, yes racism is ingrained in culture, it is passed on from father to son.You don't scroll through the Internet and suddenly say: "Oh! How cool, I'm going to be a racist now."

This kind of culture needs to be eliminated, and not through hate.

Wasn't there studies done that show that racial profiling occurs even if the police officer is black? I'm not sure the solution is that simple.

This idea of mine was pretty useless anyway, because Black police officers to patrol Black areas could be interpreted as segregation.
The problem lies in how the law enforcement and some people see Blacks and Hispanics.I mean yes there are bad Black and Hispanic people, but so there are bad white people as well, the only difference is that the latter isn't put into light very often, misleading people into seeing only the bad people in Black and Hispanic minorities (B&H Ms for further reference).

So, what I suggest is that the media but also teachers need to teach people and children that there is bad everywhere of course, but that there are many B&H people that could succeed, and that most live a decent way of life.This way, police officers will react differently and stop racial profiling.Because racial profiling isn't associated with color- It is color that is associated with criminality, which thus leads to stereotypes and racial profiling.

In conclusion, eliminate the Minority=Criminality equation.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I may be a racist, but I can use logic in my posts whenever racial debates come up.

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

These are the scientific facts.

Oh, and just for the lulz, here are sources from actual people who study this topic (anthropologists and biologists) that have obliterated this specific book:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2935246
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/6 ... id=3739256
http://www.cjsonline.ca/articles/wahlsten.html
http://ant.sagepub.com/content/2/2/131
http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crs ... ushton.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0500509918
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap10.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7285701431
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(03)00040-0/abstract

You've literally cited one of the most negatively received works on this topic that's been torn apart and shredded for everything from shitty methodology to just plain containing concepts that had been disproven for years and written by one of the biggest jokes concerning this topic.

When are you people going to get new material?

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

I may be a racist, but I can use logic in my posts whenever racial debates come up.

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

Oh, and just for the lulz, here are sources from actual people who study this topic (anthropologists and biologists) that have obliterated this specific book:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2935246
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/6 ... id=3739256
http://www.cjsonline.ca/articles/wahlsten.html
http://ant.sagepub.com/content/2/2/131
http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crs ... ushton.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0500509918
http://www.hirhome.com/rr/rrchap10.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7285701431
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(03)00040-0/abstract

You've literally cited one of the most negatively received works on this topic that's been torn apart and shredded for everything from shitty methodology to just plain containing concepts that had been disproven for years and written by one of the biggest jokes concerning this topic.

When are you people going to get new material?

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

[Mavorpen]

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

So when are you going to start using that logic you claim to use in "racial debates" rather than childishly shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

[The Cobalt Sky]

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

It's been made glaringly clear numerous times that there's no scientific reasoning that would make your bigotry a good or logical thing. I sincerely hope you rethink your views on race and the world.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

You know? All your arguments basically boil down to you thinking people are different because... people are different.

I just explained to you in a prior post why medical science does need categorizations of populations. However, we don't need to know which person can run the fastest or which person is more likely to become a rocket scientist because we don't know every single attribute about a person just because they're white or black or brown or blue. We do need to know differences in populations across the world because, and this is important, incidence of disease is more of a real-world issue than who is better than who.

[The Scandinvans]

The OP has pointed out what every sane and reasonable person knows: that racism is alive and well in the US and there is a significant disparity in the treatment of whites and people of colour. You'd have to ignore or stretch every available statistic to deny this fact.

Notable strides have been made, but the road is still long.

[Tahar Joblis]

You clearly don't, though. Anyone who thinks that racism is good or appropriate isn't using logic at all. Mavorpen already covered it quite well here:

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

I believe your local public library is likely to get you access to at least the JSTOR articles. You might also consider doing a Google search on the titles, which will bring up other versions of those articles - possibly including, for example, PDFs on the authors' websites.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

"Buy my research for $99.99!"

So when are you going to start using that logic you claim to use in "racial debates" rather than childishly shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

You didn't read the research you provided, so why should I? You grabbed it based off of a title and posted it here. If you read the research, you would have known half of the sources were just abstracts.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So when are you going to start using that logic you claim to use in "racial debates" rather than childishly shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

You didn't read the research you provided, so why should I? You grabbed it based off of a title and posted it here. If you read the research, you would have known half of the sources were just abstracts.

Do you understand how abstracts work?

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

You didn't read the research you provided, so why should I? You grabbed it based off of a title and posted it here. If you read the research, you would have known half of the sources were just abstracts.

Do you understand how abstracts work?

I have some understanding.

It covers the key components of a research paper, but it still isn't the whole thing. His abstracts do not show all of the statistical evidence that I want.

Anyways, I'm going to be going to driving school for the next three hours so if the conversation gets cut short, you'll know why.

[Mavorpen]

So when are you going to start using that logic you claim to use in "racial debates" rather than childishly shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA!"

You didn't read the research you provided, so why should I?

Excuse me? Just because you didn't read it you assumed I didn't? Sorry to break it to you, but I read every source. I have access through my university's database.

You grabbed it based off of a title and posted it here.

Nope, I did it based off of sources that directly cite that Rushton paper you posted.

If you read the research, you would have known half of the sources were just abstracts.

This has literally nothing to do with me reading the papers.

Face it, you know you're wrong and your beliefs have absolutely zero substantiation. You giving pathetic excuses for not accepting being proven wrong doesn't change the fact that you are.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

You didn't read the research you provided, so why should I?

Excuse me? Just because you didn't read it you assumed I didn't? Sorry to break it to you, but I read every source. I have access through my university's database.

Not everyone is in a University, so to assume that I could have read the full papers is silly (granted that I had assumed that you did not have access to these papers was wrong as well).

[Terra Sector Union]

Well you know, despite the violent historical origin of the US, now at days we accept immigrants from all parts of the world and live together in peace most of the time. Unlike ethnic nationalist enclaves of Eastern Europe or tribalism in Africa where people die over that. Let's look at progress. The US is much better than what it was before.

[Mavorpen]

Excuse me? Just because you didn't read it you assumed I didn't? Sorry to break it to you, but I read every source. I have access through my university's database.

Not everyone is in a University, so to assume that I could have read the full papers is silly (granted the assumption that I had assumed that you did not have access to these papers was wrong as well).

I didn't assume such a thing. I assumed you don't have your head so far buried in the sand that you're so desperate to maintain unsubstantiated beliefs despite being provided several sources debunking your source that you used to back it up.

Also, what, then, is your fucking excuse for the posts where I directly quoted sources demonstrating race doesn't biologically exist?

viewtopic.php?p=23344068#p23344068

Oh that's right, your excuse was something like "WAAAH! READING!"

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

I didn't assume such a thing. I assumed you don't have your head so far buried in the sand that you're so desperate to maintain unsubstantiated beliefs despite being provided several sources debunking your source that you used to back it up.

Also, what, then, is your fucking excuse for the posts where I directly quoted sources demonstrating race doesn't biologically exist?

viewtopic.php?p=23344068#p23344068

Oh that's right, your excuse was something like "WAAAH! READING!"

Here, I'll save us both the trouble since this is turning into flame-bait. Don't bother replying to my posts because I won't be able to see them.

[Mavorpen]

I didn't assume such a thing. I assumed you don't have your head so far buried in the sand that you're so desperate to maintain unsubstantiated beliefs despite being provided several sources debunking your source that you used to back it up.

Also, what, then, is your fucking excuse for the posts where I directly quoted sources demonstrating race doesn't biologically exist?

viewtopic.php?p=23344068#p23344068

Oh that's right, your excuse was something like "WAAAH! READING!"

Here, I'll save us both the trouble since this is turning into flame-bait. Don't bother replying to my posts because I won't be able to see them.

Yeah that's right, bury your head deeper in that sand. Refuse to acknowledge facts and reality different from that you've constructed from your own bigotry.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Source?

I don't need a source for my opinion. My opinion is backed by my lower posts.

This is nonsensical gibberish.

The black community hates being discriminated against, just as any other community does. It's up to them to move away from these profiles. They get discriminated against for doing X and Y, and they hate this discrimination... yet they'll still continue to do X and Y.

And of course, no actual evidence for this, I notice.

The blacks in my community talk about how much they hate being discriminated against. They talk about how much they hate being discriminated against for doing this or that, and they will proceed to do this or that.

Given that you've yet to identify a single problem that has its origins in the "community" rather than racism, this is bullshit.

Discrimination, incarceration rates, the fact that 1 in 3 black males will be arrested, the rate of black on white crime vs white on black crime, gang violence including blacks... vice versa.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Whats the joke?

Races don't biologically exist. Any attempt to back up racism with science is laughably stupid.

Certain lice can only attach to blacks hair, while certain lice can only attach to whites hair, etc. While 'white lice' can attach to blacks hair, it is much harder because the 'white lice' have legs designed through evolution to attach to white peoples hair. Therefore, blacks and whites have different hair formation.

http://newhair.com/procedures/fut/racial-variations/

I mean, that's just one fact. There's 600 pages waiting, but page 23 is really important in that source that I gave to you. All you really need to do is look at page 23 and I'll be satisfied.

Edit: Almost forgot sickle-cell anemia. 2 facts.

These are the scientific facts.

Aw, how cute, you think it's wise to cite a psychologist on a matter that is inherently biological, meanwhile here's what actual scientists involved in the field have to say:

-snip-

Have fun reading some actual science.

"I dislike your source so it's not relevant to this argument". Okay.

Anyways, can I get a tl;dr? I'm not going to read all of that.[/quote]

Out of all things, you choose to prove your point with unsourced gibberish and the incidence of disease across different populations?!

Mkay then.

[Mavorpen]

Out of all things, you choose to prove your point with unsourced gibberish and the incidence of disease across different populations?!

Mkay then.

This still remains the funniest and yet saddest thing he's posted, for me.

Anyways, can I get a tl;dr? I'm not going to read all of that.

Especially since he said THIS in another thread.

Sounds interesting. Telegram me if you do, I'd like to see what you manage to detail in the thread. These are sort of things that interest me.

[Arcanda]

Well you know, despite the violent historical origin of the US, now at days we accept immigrants from all parts of the world and live together in peace most of the time. Unlike ethnic nationalist enclaves of Eastern Europe or tribalism in Africa where people die over that. Let's look at progress. The US is much better than what it was before.

I agree, a lot was done.The sole fact that America has and African-American president shows how far the country has come.But keep your eyes on the trophy, because it still has a long way to go.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I didn't assume such a thing. I assumed you don't have your head so far buried in the sand that you're so desperate to maintain unsubstantiated beliefs despite being provided several sources debunking your source that you used to back it up.

Also, what, then, is your fucking excuse for the posts where I directly quoted sources demonstrating race doesn't biologically exist?

viewtopic.php?p=23344068#p23344068

Oh that's right, your excuse was something like "WAAAH! READING!"

Here, I'll save us both the trouble since this is turning into flame-bait. Don't bother replying to my posts because I won't be able to see them.

No worries! Whenever he posts a source, I'll be sure to copy it for your benefit so that you don't miss out on any factual information that contradicts your unsubstantiated and unscientific beliefs.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Here, I'll save us both the trouble since this is turning into flame-bait. Don't bother replying to my posts because I won't be able to see them.

No worries! Whenever he posts a source, I'll be sure to copy it for your benefit so that you don't miss out on any factual information that contradicts your unsubstantiated and unscientific beliefs.

To be fair, I think the demonstrated differences across populations is a good thing.

However, they're just not meaningful for the social sciences and are vastly more meaningful in the medical field, where knowing the predisposition one group (or colloquially "Race") has of having X disease is significantly more important and significantly more meaningful and not at all the sort of meaningfulness self-professed racists would like it to have.

[Mavorpen]

No worries! Whenever he posts a source, I'll be sure to copy it for your benefit so that you don't miss out on any factual information that contradicts your unsubstantiated and unscientific beliefs.

To be fair, I think the demonstrated differences across populations is a good thing.

However, they're just not meaningful for the social sciences and are vastly more meaningful in the medical field, where knowing the predisposition one group (or colloquially "Race") has of having X disease is significantly more important and significantly more meaningful.

I disagree, to an extent. Race based diagnosing has done significant damage to the medical field as a whole, and it's substantially more effective to look at patients on an individual basis and look through their family history. There's some overlap between that and populations, but it's applied to something much too broad, whereas it's much more effective to observe and diagnose with a more specific and less vague method.