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what do you not like about Obama

He is too Right Wing
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He is too Left Wing
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His foreign policy sucks
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I don't like him for reasons not properly articulated in the above choices (if so post about it below)
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too black 4 me
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:59 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Theo Roosevelt wrote:Obama's foreign policy has been more than acceptable.


His FP has been mixed. He seemed more than willing to offer support during the Arab Spring to the people who craved democracy to only withdraw it after the regimes were toppled. While the Iraq War was a mistake, withdrawing only weakened the Iraqi government even further and contributed to the relatively easy rise of ISIL. He relies too heavily on drones and special forces, when Afghanistan and Iraq showed us conventional warfare is not dead and successful operations require more boots. Don't even get me started on Syria.

Theo Roosevelt wrote:The problem is his domestic policy. The United States is a cultural melting-pot with an apathetic populace that doesn't exemplify this greatness.


This has been a problem for some time.

Theo Roosevelt wrote:Liberals are not hard enough on Obama. His race has nothing to do with what he can do better as President of the United States.


Then you misunderstand. I did not say his race limits his presidency. Rather I think his race, the historical break from the traditional Anglo-Saxon, is what will define his presidency. People will not look back at history and think Obama brought universal healthcare. They won't look back and think of his Ron Paulish like support of gay marriage. They won't look back and remember how he appeared on the Colbert Report. He will be remembered as the first black president -a huge deal on its own- but not much else.

Hey, I saw that episode! I was laughing the entire time at how they changed roles for an entire day.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


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Postby Marelius » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:59 pm

Obama is probably the most chill US president since the second half of the 20th century. I got nothing against him.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:00 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
His FP has been mixed. He seemed more than willing to offer support during the Arab Spring to the people who craved democracy to only withdraw it after the regimes were toppled. While the Iraq War was a mistake, withdrawing only weakened the Iraqi government even further and contributed to the relatively easy rise of ISIL. He relies too heavily on drones and special forces, when Afghanistan and Iraq showed us conventional warfare is not dead and successful operations require more boots. Don't even get me started on Syria.



This has been a problem for some time.



Then you misunderstand. I did not say his race limits his presidency. Rather I think his race, the historical break from the traditional Anglo-Saxon, is what will define his presidency. People will not look back at history and think Obama brought universal healthcare. They won't look back and think of his Ron Paulish like support of gay marriage. They won't look back and remember how he appeared on the Colbert Report. He will be remembered as the first black president -a huge deal on its own- but not much else.

Hey, I saw that episode! I was laughing the entire time at how they changed roles for an entire day.


It was pretty funny and I like that Obama has a sense of humor.

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Postby Chestaan » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:01 pm

Because he's sexy.
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:04 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
New Jordslag wrote:Hey, I saw that episode! I was laughing the entire time at how they changed roles for an entire day.


It was pretty funny and I like that Obama has a sense of humor.

He's totes Chill.

It's funny how 155 Years ago America tolerated the Slave trade and stole land from Indians. Now look at it.

Weird how some countries can change so much.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:06 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
It was pretty funny and I like that Obama has a sense of humor.

He's totes Chill.

It's funny how 155 Years ago America tolerated the Slave trade and stole land from Indians. Now look at it.

Weird how some countries can change so much.


We still have a lot more to do. But progress is happening. You cannot reasonably deny that (not saying you specifically are).

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Postby BlueVelvet » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:01 pm

None, for me. I like him as a president. :)

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Postby The Dragon Realms Empire » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:34 pm

Bunkeranlage wrote:But I don't hate Obama :unsure:

What he said.
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Postby United Prefectures of Appia » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:50 pm

I still find it ridiculous some people are delusional and crazy to think Obama is somehow on the far left. This is the kind of brain damage propaganda can do to people. Hell, there was a poll in 2012 where the percentage of people who thought Obama was a Muslim actually increased compared to 2008.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:51 pm

Obamacare and authoritarianism.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:01 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Obamacare and authoritarianism.


What do you dislike so much about Obamacare?

What authoritarianism are you talking about, exactly?

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:02 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Obamacare and authoritarianism.


What do you dislike so much about Obamacare?

What authoritarianism are you talking about, exactly?


The authoritarianism that the Republicans in Congress allow him to have obviously.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:10 pm

Obama makes decisions that I often disagree with. It makes me mad for example, how he is siding with the Palestinians over Israel. It is for the best that I don't pay attention to him on the news.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:Obama makes decisions that I often disagree with. It makes me mad for example, how he is siding with the Palestinians over Israel. It is for the best that I don't pay attention to him on the news.

In what way is he siding with the Palestinians over the Israelis?
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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:26 pm

Saiwania wrote:Obama makes decisions that I often disagree with. It makes me mad for example, how he is siding with the Palestinians over Israel. It is for the best that I don't pay attention to him on the news.

I guess giving Israel the Iron Dome doesn't count as helping them.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:27 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Obamacare and authoritarianism.


What do you dislike so much about Obamacare?

What authoritarianism are you talking about, exactly?


Obamacare forces everyone to purchase health insurance through a private insurer, both raising the costs and trampling over the rights of a citizen to choose what to buy. Obama uses executive orders to provide citizenship to millions of illegals, regardless of the laws in place. Obama supports the NSA and it's big brother policy of spying on American citizens and allies.

The man is quite authoritarian when he wants to.

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Postby New Jordslag » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:29 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What do you dislike so much about Obamacare?

What authoritarianism are you talking about, exactly?


Obamacare forces everyone to purchase health insurance through a private insurer, both raising the costs and trampling over the rights of a citizen to choose what to buy. Obama uses executive orders to provide citizenship to millions of illegals, regardless of the laws in place. Obama supports the NSA and it's big brother policy of spying on American citizens and allies.

The man is quite authoritarian when he wants to.

No it doesn't. If you want to, you can stay with your old Healthcare. If your Healthcare kicks you out, that isn't Obamacare's fault.

Obama hasn't given citizenship to any immigrants. He's allowed 5 Million to stay in America, without Citizenship, and kicked out 2 Million more.

The NSA thing I can't argue about though.
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New Jordslag wrote:Then we can have another New York. No such thing as too many New Yorks.


And somewhere in New York, Big Jim P gets a cold shudder down his spine.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:32 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What do you dislike so much about Obamacare?

What authoritarianism are you talking about, exactly?


Obamacare forces everyone to purchase health insurance through a private insurer, both raising the costs and trampling over the rights of a citizen to choose what to buy. Obama uses executive orders to provide citizenship to millions of illegals, regardless of the laws in place. Obama supports the NSA and it's big brother policy of spying on American citizens and allies.

The man is quite authoritarian when he wants to.


The other points were answered. I'm not thrilled with the NSA, but it started under Bush. I do wish that he'd discontinue it, but out of a bad lost, he's the least bad.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:05 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Obama makes decisions that I often disagree with. It makes me mad for example, how he is siding with the Palestinians over Israel. It is for the best that I don't pay attention to him on the news.

I guess giving Israel the Iron Dome doesn't count as helping them.

Well "The Iron Dome" sure sounds like a Nazi superweapon. Maybe he's just confused?
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Postby Atomic Energy » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:30 pm

I've never liked Obama and every day I find more reasons not to like him. Perhaps the most egregious on the list was his same sex marriage flip flop. I think that sums him up the most -- he doesn't REALLY care about the issue, but he knew he'd be more popular if he embraced it, and so he did, and now he's a hero of the more ignorant members of the LGBT community. I also think his Obamacare plan was a stupid melding of Republican ideals (Gingrich's individual mandate, Romneycare) with Democrat ideals (Great Society, Hillarycare), and so it's destined to slowly have part after part repealed until it's just a mangled version of the original.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:37 pm

Atomic Energy wrote:I've never liked Obama and every day I find more reasons not to like him. Perhaps the most egregious on the list was his same sex marriage flip flop. I think that sums him up the most -- he doesn't REALLY care about the issue, but he knew he'd be more popular if he embraced it, and so he did, and now he's a hero of the more ignorant members of the LGBT community. I also think his Obamacare plan was a stupid melding of Republican ideals (Gingrich's individual mandate, Romneycare) with Democrat ideals (Great Society, Hillarycare), and so it's destined to slowly have part after part repealed until it's just a mangled version of the original.


Yes, the marriage flip-flop. God knows that I like my Presidents to be rigid and narrow-minded, unwilling to embrace differing perspectives or ideas, or allowing their thoughts on a matter to evolve.

Obamacare wasn't great, but it was the best thing that they could get passed.

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Postby Atomic Energy » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:39 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Atomic Energy wrote:I've never liked Obama and every day I find more reasons not to like him. Perhaps the most egregious on the list was his same sex marriage flip flop. I think that sums him up the most -- he doesn't REALLY care about the issue, but he knew he'd be more popular if he embraced it, and so he did, and now he's a hero of the more ignorant members of the LGBT community. I also think his Obamacare plan was a stupid melding of Republican ideals (Gingrich's individual mandate, Romneycare) with Democrat ideals (Great Society, Hillarycare), and so it's destined to slowly have part after part repealed until it's just a mangled version of the original.


Yes, the marriage flip-flop. God knows that I like my Presidents to be rigid and narrow-minded, unwilling to embrace differing perspectives or ideas, or allowing their thoughts on a matter to evolve.

Obamacare wasn't great, but it was the best thing that they could get passed.

No, my main problem with the flip flop was that he wasn't for gay marriage in the first place, and chose a very opportune time to decide to switch positions. He flows in the mainstream of liberalism, and I believe that is his main fault. If he was truly a liberal I would have some respect for him, as I have respect for others like Elizabeth Warren, but he's just, as the Republicans like to put it, the biggest celebrity in America.
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Postby Firsthome » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:47 pm

Atomic Energy wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, the marriage flip-flop. God knows that I like my Presidents to be rigid and narrow-minded, unwilling to embrace differing perspectives or ideas, or allowing their thoughts on a matter to evolve.

Obamacare wasn't great, but it was the best thing that they could get passed.

No, my main problem with the flip flop was that he wasn't for gay marriage in the first place, and chose a very opportune time to decide to switch positions. He flows in the mainstream of liberalism, and I believe that is his main fault. If he was truly a liberal I would have some respect for him, as I have respect for others like Elizabeth Warren, but he's just, as the Republicans like to put it, the biggest celebrity in America.


He's Only like 3% better than romney in my book.

He's too authoritarian and Right wing for me
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:49 pm

Atomic Energy wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Yes, the marriage flip-flop. God knows that I like my Presidents to be rigid and narrow-minded, unwilling to embrace differing perspectives or ideas, or allowing their thoughts on a matter to evolve.

Obamacare wasn't great, but it was the best thing that they could get passed.

No, my main problem with the flip flop was that he wasn't for gay marriage in the first place, and chose a very opportune time to decide to switch positions. He flows in the mainstream of liberalism, and I believe that is his main fault. If he was truly a liberal I would have some respect for him, as I have respect for others like Elizabeth Warren, but he's just, as the Republicans like to put it, the biggest celebrity in America.


He wasn't for it on a personal level. However, in the case of any attempt to limit the rights of gay couples to get married (such as Proposition 8), he was firmly against it. One may have a personal opinion on a matter while not wishing to make one's opinion law. He even refused to defend DOMA despite his still-evolving point of view. Regardless of his personal beliefs, he actually did significant work for marriage equality.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:51 pm

Firsthome wrote:
Atomic Energy wrote:No, my main problem with the flip flop was that he wasn't for gay marriage in the first place, and chose a very opportune time to decide to switch positions. He flows in the mainstream of liberalism, and I believe that is his main fault. If he was truly a liberal I would have some respect for him, as I have respect for others like Elizabeth Warren, but he's just, as the Republicans like to put it, the biggest celebrity in America.


He's Only like 3% better than romney in my book.

He's too authoritarian and Right wing for me


I'm actually kinda happy he's not left-wing. Honestly I love the Democratic Party (for the most part) as is. I do have some problems with it's foreign policy platform. But aside from that. Better center-right.
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