Why do you hate Obama?

[Patridam]

That's cute.

Obama is more Communitarian than Liberal.

Well, he was a 'community organizer' before becoming president - that's where most of his experience comes from....

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Obama is more Communitarian than Liberal.

Well, he was a 'community organizer' before becoming president - that's where most of his experience comes from....

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

[Patridam]

Well, he was a 'community organizer' before becoming president - that's where most of his experience comes from....

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

He had ONE term as a US senator. Being president requires more than 4-year contacts and experience to actually get anything done.

[The Reunified Korean Peninsula]

Because I don't agree with many of his policies or his views on political or social issues.

That, and he's accumulated the most amount of debt compared to any other president.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Well, he was a 'community organizer' before becoming president - that's where most of his experience comes from....

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

We basically elected an inconsequential state senator to the Presidency...just saying.

edited.

Not to say that means he isn't qualified, Carter and Eisenhower were also outsiders. Obama has some credentials, and some ideas....but he wasn't really a senator. He went from campaigning for the senate to campaigning for the presidency. We didn't elect an seasoned US senator, we elected a state senator. Experience doesn't equal good policies, but it's just something to note.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

He had ONE term as a US senator. Being president requires more than 4-year contacts and experience to actually get anything done.

Right, sorry, thought that we were talking about whether or not his major previous experience was as a community organizer, as was stated in the post that I was replying to. It's a good thing that we were talking about something else, because if we were talking about that, then it would obviously be a crock of shit.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

We basically elected an inconsequential state senator to the Presidency...just saying.

And Lincoln was a one-term Congressional Representative who hadn't held office in years.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

He's too liberal and he favors the immigrants too much.


Generally sums up everything, other than the latter of the options.

Liberal in what way?

He's deported more illegal immigrants than any president in U.S. history.

I don't recall any other presidents giving 5 million immigrants citizenship, or for that matter, introducing Universal Health Care.

[The United Territories of Providence]

Liberal in what way?

He's deported more illegal immigrants than any president in U.S. history.

I don't recall any other presidents giving 5 million immigrants citizenship, or for that matter, introducing Universal Health Care.

He didn't give them citizenship and the Obamacare is not actually universal healthcare....so no to everything you just said.

[The United Territories of Providence]

We basically elected an inconsequential state senator to the Presidency...just saying.

And Lincoln was a one-term Congressional Representative who hadn't held office in years.

I didn't finish my edit in time to beat your reply. I'm not saying he wasn't qualified, but I am saying what I said in my edit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Liberal in what way?

He's deported more illegal immigrants than any president in U.S. history.

I don't recall any other presidents giving 5 million immigrants citizenship, or for that matter, introducing Universal Health Care.

Giving out citizenship?

Yea, here is where I point out you don't know what you're talking about and instead of making you look bad advice you for your own good to get educated on what is it you're talking about.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

I don't recall any other presidents giving 5 million immigrants citizenship, or for that matter, introducing Universal Health Care.

He didn't give them citizenship and the Obamacare is not actually universal healthcare....so no to everything you just said.

He gave them the right to stay in our country, and it's healthcare for everyone, provided by the government.

So no is yes.

[Phineana]

I don't dislike President Obama. I think he's done a decent job, if not an ideal one. There are definitely things I disagree with (use of predator drones, stepping up the war in Afghanistan) but I don't think he's been really dreadful.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

He didn't give them citizenship and the Obamacare is not actually universal healthcare....so no to everything you just said.

He gave them the right to stay in our country, and it's healthcare for everyone, provided by the government.

So no is yes.

The right to stay in our country with the equivalent of a work visa. I suggest you learn what words mean before actually talking.

And mandated healthcare but didn't make it public, but rather subsidized without nationalizing the industry.

So no, not at all. But hey, you're a holocaust denier, so what the fuck do I know?

[The United Territories of Providence]

He didn't give them citizenship and the Obamacare is not actually universal healthcare....so no to everything you just said.

He gave them the right to stay in our country, and it's healthcare for everyone, provided by the government.

So no is yes.

That is not citizenship. The stay is not permanent, and they still don't have the rights guaranteed to the rest of us. There is no amnesty and there is no citizenship, and it wasn't extended to most immigrants. So....there's that.

Do you know the definition of universal healthcare?

According to the World Health Organization
universal health coverage (UHC), is defined as ensuring that all people can use the promotive, preventive, curative, rehabilitative and palliative health services they need, of sufficient quality to be effective, while also ensuring that the use of these services does not expose the user to financial hardship.

That is not Obamacare.

[Nuwe Suid Afrika]

He gave them the right to stay in our country, and it's healthcare for everyone, provided by the government.

So no is yes.

The right to stay in our country with the equivalent of a work visa.

Exactly. They have the right to stay in our country without actual citizenship. All they need is a work visa.

I suggest you learn what words mean before actually talking.

That's not necessary at all.

And mandated healthcare but didn't make it public, but rather subsidized without nationalizing the industry.

It's mandated for everyone to have. It's a step towards more socialized healthcare overall.

So no, not at all. But hey, you're a holocaust denier, so what the fuck do I know?

We can discuss this in telegrams if you want to avoid derail.

[Phineana]

He didn't give them citizenship and the Obamacare is not actually universal healthcare....so no to everything you just said.

He gave them the right to stay in our country, and it's healthcare for everyone, provided by the government.

So no is yes.

That healthcare is for everyone, but we as citizens still have to pay for it. It is universal healthcare, but the fact that it comes out of our pockets--unless our employers see fit to cover us--means that it isn't completely government provided. In fact, the government only subsidizes if the person can't afford to pay their healthcare fees, which means that in many, if not most cases, the government doesn't pay; we the people do.

And allowing people to stay in the country is quite a far cry from granting them citizenship.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The right to stay in our country with the equivalent of a work visa.

Exactly. They have the right to stay in our country without actual citizenship. All they need is a work visa.

I suggest you learn what words mean before actually talking.

That's not necessary at all.

And mandated healthcare but didn't make it public, but rather subsidized without nationalizing the industry.

It's mandated for everyone to have. It's a step towards more socialized healthcare overall.

So no, not at all. But hey, you're a holocaust denier, so what the fuck do I know?

We can discuss this in telegrams if you want to avoid derail.

That's not fucking amnesty is the point. Amnesty is what President Reagan did in '86 which is a pardon of their crime in order to gain citizenship. DACA is not amnesty, it is deferred action, a different concept. Which is why I told you to go learn what words mean before talking.

And it's mandated, that doesn't mean it's public. So no, it isn't.

[Gauthier]

Anything to "prove" Obama is a leftist socialist.

He did introduce socialized health care for the first time in US history.

An insurance mandate is not socialized health care.

[The Conez Imperium]

He's a communist socialist ! He's trying to provide socialism to our great nation.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

He's a communist socialist ! He's trying to provide socialism to our great nation.

Stop that.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

He is the best and the most fresh president ever, what is there to hate him?

[The Conez Imperium]

He's a communist socialist ! He's trying to provide socialism to our great nation.

Stop that.

Healthcare is the source of all life. 10% of the government's budget. 10% of you is government healthcare. And as Human beings, you and I need fresh clean healthcare to maintain our precious bodily fluids.

Have you ever wondered why I only use private healthcare or non-government healthcare?

Have you ever heard of mandated healthcare? Mandated healthcare for America?

Do you know what it is?

DO you realise, that mandated healthcare is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot that we have ever had to face!

[United Kingdom of Poland]

Not exactly.

He was a "community organizer" while he was in college. He also later had an internship at a prestigious law firm, directed voter registration efforts in the inner city, was a civil rights attorney, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a State Senator in Illinois, and a United States Senator from Illinois. But the hard work that he did in college in order to improve the lives of people in poorer neighborhoods is obviously meaningless and worthy of dismissal, so let's go with that.

We basically elected an inconsequential state senator to the Presidency...just saying.

edited.

Not to say that means he isn't qualified, Carter and Eisenhower were also outsiders. Obama has some credentials, and some ideas....but he wasn't really a senator. He went from campaigning for the senate to campaigning for the presidency. We didn't elect an seasoned US senator, we elected a state senator. Experience doesn't equal good policies, but it's just something to note.

to be fair on Ike though I can't imagine better job experience in terms of leading a country then heading a multi-national million man army, all the while dealing with not only the different personalities involved but the difficulites of dealing with both international and inter-service relationships between said individuals.

[The Alma Mater]

Anything to "prove" Obama is a leftist socialist.

He did introduce socialized health care for the first time in US history.

You mean RomneyCare ?