Why do you hate Obama?

[Myrensis]

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Some people don't use the hilariously warped American scale where anything remotely left of Republicans is 'radical socialist leftist'. Anywhere else on the planet Obama and the Dems in general are solidly center-right.

[Atomic Energy]

That's odd given he's center-right

Center-left on some things. But he and Romney are basically the same.
Which is why 2012 election was basically picking between the shiniest of two turds. It also gave fire to the people who say America is a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

If I may take a historical moment, the times we're living in are incredibly similar to the period of American history known as both "The Gilded Age", because it may have looked shiny but it was really not, and "The Era of the Forgotten Presidents", because no matter who was in office, it didn't change policy because the Democrats and Republicans were the same. Also similarly, the Republicans and the Democrats were both controlled by business interests, just slightly different ones. The issues of the time were also not represented in the parties. For instance, back then most poor people demanded that the government inflate the currency because deflation was killing small farmers who couldn't afford to pay their debts, but both Republicans and Democrats were anti-free silver (as it was called). In the modern era, most everyone agrees that we should either raise taxes or cut spending to reduce the deficit, but the Democrats in power don't raise taxes and Republicans in power don't cut spending. In the rare occasions when they do, Democrats increase spending and Republicans cut taxes, bringing us back to square one.

tl;dr Obama = Rutherford B. Hayes

[Thermodolia]

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Some people don't use the hilariously warped American scale where anything remotely left of Republicans is 'radical socialist leftist'. Anywhere else on the planet Obama and the Dems in general are solidly center-right.

I agree with you on that. Which is why you can't go around putting your countries definition of leftist or right-winger on to politicians that are not from your country.

[Thermodolia]

Center-left on some things. But he and Romney are basically the same.
Which is why 2012 election was basically picking between the shiniest of two turds. It also gave fire to the people who say America is a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

If I may take a historical moment, the times we're living in are incredibly similar to the period of American history known as both "The Gilded Age", because it may have looked shiny but it was really not, and "The Era of the Forgotten Presidents", because no matter who was in office, it didn't change policy because the Democrats and Republicans were the same. Also similarly, the Republicans and the Democrats were both controlled by business interests, just slightly different ones. The issues of the time were also not represented in the parties. For instance, back then most poor people demanded that the government inflate the currency because deflation was killing small farmers who couldn't afford to pay their debts, but both Republicans and Democrats were anti-free silver (as it was called). In the modern era, most everyone agrees that we should either raise taxes or cut spending to reduce the deficit, but the Democrats in power don't raise taxes and Republicans in power don't cut spending. In the rare occasions when they do, Democrats increase spending and Republicans cut taxes, bringing us back to square one.

tl;dr Obama = Rutherford B. Hayes

History does have a way of repeating itself.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

He's a libtard communist, remember Obama Care (which predictably was a flop). He's attempting to influence the young generation with lofty socialistic promises that he can't keep, such as promising to eliminate the debt. Well surprise! You can't eliminate the debt by taxing the rich into homelessness... And his approval ratings show that people are finally WAKING UP, and don't want to be sheep.

When did he promise to eliminate the debt?

What formerly wealthy people have ended up homeless due to taxes under his administration, or, come to think of it, any administration in modern history?

His approval ratings have been rising lately.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Fear, polarization, demonization, and racial dog-whistle politics?

last time I checked dems used those tatics

I suppose that they're a part of every operative's bag of tricks, but whereas Democrats tend to back off when they're called out on it, Republicans seem to revel in this.

[Brickistan]

To most leftists, he's not socialist enough, and he didn't keep his promises of butting out of Iraq and shutting down Guantanamo, and taxing the rich to end the deficit, etc etc

Hahaha so that allows them shoot him across classifying him as a right wing?!

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Not sure I follow... What's hysterical about calling a spade a spade?

Let's look at the Political Compass for the 2012 election:



And the description of Obame is a quite interesting as well:

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama's detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008's yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? Between 1998 and the last election, Obama amassed $37.6million from the financial services industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.

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Obame is indeed so right wing as to be nearly identical to Romney. And that's the big issue here. He's much to far-right for his own voters. And while he's far-right enough to be able to appeal to conservatives (at least, the non-batshit crazy part of the Republican Party) he's.. Well... A Democrat.

But here's where it gets kinda funny...

Looking at the comparison they have on their Crowd Chart, Obama is indeed to the left. In fact, only slightly further to the left than Eisenhower:



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So what happened? Let's look at the compass for the 2008 election:



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Seems to me that Obama, much like (nearly) all other US politicians, has been bought and sold. The actual political line he follows is much closer to his Republican predecessors than to the promises he made during the 2008 campaign. So yes, he is indeed on the right side of the spectrum - borderline on the hard-right area, minus the carzy religious ramblings of the Republican hard-right.

No wonder then, that people dislike him (hate, I think, is too strong a term). He ran on a left-leaning platform of hope a change. And yet, he ended up toeing the republican party line, increasing the wealth-gap and putting further pressure on an already shrinking middle-class.

[Brickistan]

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Some people don't use the hilariously warped American scale where anything remotely left of Republicans is 'radical socialist leftist'. Anywhere else on the planet Obama and the Dems in general are solidly center-right.

Agreed.

US politics is now so wildly off-center that "left" and "right" are nearly meaningless.

[Mike the Progressive]

Some people don't use the hilariously warped American scale where anything remotely left of Republicans is 'radical socialist leftist'. Anywhere else on the planet Obama and the Dems in general are solidly center-right.

Agreed.

US politics is now so wildly off-center that "left" and "right" are nearly meaningless.

Actually when you think about Latin America, Africa, and Asia and their political spectrum. It's actually Europe that's so "wildly off-center."

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Some people don't use the hilariously warped American scale where anything remotely left of Republicans is 'radical socialist leftist'. Anywhere else on the planet Obama and the Dems in general are solidly center-right.

Yep. By American standards, I'm a radical leftist. Anywhere else in the world, I'm a centrist at most, and could be considered on the right in some ways.

[Uawc]

Why hate a puppet when I can hate the man who has his hand up its ass?

[Ifreann]

I've never liked Obama and every day I find more reasons not to like him. Perhaps the most egregious on the list was his same sex marriage flip flop. I think that sums him up the most -- he doesn't REALLY care about the issue, but he knew he'd be more popular if he embraced it, and so he did, and now he's a hero of the more ignorant members of the LGBT community. I also think his Obamacare plan was a stupid melding of Republican ideals (Gingrich's individual mandate, Romneycare) with Democrat ideals (Great Society, Hillarycare), and so it's destined to slowly have part after part repealed until it's just a mangled version of the original.

Yes, the marriage flip-flop. God knows that I like my Presidents to be rigid and narrow-minded, unwilling to embrace differing perspectives or ideas, or allowing their thoughts on a matter to evolve.

Obamacare wasn't great, but it was the best thing that they could get passed.

Where are the death panels I was promised, Obama?!

[Ndaku]

Hahaha so that allows them shoot him across classifying him as a right wing?!

Not saying you're incorrect, because you aren't; I'm just finding that people actually find him right wing very hysterical.

Not sure I follow... What's hysterical about calling a spade a spade?

Let's look at the Political Compass for the 2012 election:



And the description of Obame is a quite interesting as well:

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama's detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures. 2008's yes-we-can chanters, dazzled by pigment rather than policy detail, forgot to ask can what? Between 1998 and the last election, Obama amassed $37.6million from the financial services industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. While 2008 presidential candidate Obama appeared to champion universal health care, his first choice for Secretary of Health was a man who had spent years lobbying on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry against that very concept. Hey! You don't promise a successful pub, and then appoint the Salvation Army to run it. This time around, the honey-tongued President makes populist references to economic justice, while simultaneously appointing as his new Chief of Staff a former Citigroup executive concerned with hedge funds that bet on the housing market to collapse. Obama poses something of a challenge to The Political Compass, because he's a man of so few fixed principles.

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Obame is indeed so right wing as to be nearly identical to Romney. And that's the big issue here. He's much to far-right for his own voters. And while he's far-right enough to be able to appeal to conservatives (at least, the non-batshit crazy part of the Republican Party) he's.. Well... A Democrat.

But here's where it gets kinda funny...

Looking at the comparison they have on their Crowd Chart, Obama is indeed to the left. In fact, only slightly further to the left than Eisenhower:



Source

So what happened? Let's look at the compass for the 2008 election:



Source

Seems to me that Obama, much like (nearly) all other US politicians, has been bought and sold. The actual political line he follows is much closer to his Republican predecessors than to the promises he made during the 2008 campaign. So yes, he is indeed on the right side of the spectrum - borderline on the hard-right area, minus the carzy religious ramblings of the Republican hard-right.

No wonder then, that people dislike him (hate, I think, is too strong a term). He ran on a left-leaning platform of hope a change. And yet, he ended up toeing the republican party line, increasing the wealth-gap and putting further pressure on an already shrinking middle-class.

Well I can't argue with that can I?!

But I see what you mean. He started out very left wing and ended up appearing on the right side of the spectrum. I guess the million dollar question would be what caused him to be in such a position so drastically?

[Seraven]

Foreign policies of USA had been changed, and while I myself like it, it also doesn't really minimize the situations.

[Firsthome]

He's Only like 3% better than romney in my book.

He's too authoritarian and Right wing for me

I'm actually kinda happy he's not left-wing. Honestly I love the Democratic Party (for the most part) as is. I do have some problems with it's foreign policy platform. But aside from that. Better center-right.

He's bit even near the center though.

And I prefer center-left, myself

[Firsthome]

Not sure I follow... What's hysterical about calling a spade a spade?

Let's look at the Political Compass for the 2012 election:



And the description of Obame is a quite interesting as well:



Source

Obame is indeed so right wing as to be nearly identical to Romney. And that's the big issue here. He's much to far-right for his own voters. And while he's far-right enough to be able to appeal to conservatives (at least, the non-batshit crazy part of the Republican Party) he's.. Well... A Democrat.

But here's where it gets kinda funny...

Looking at the comparison they have on their Crowd Chart, Obama is indeed to the left. In fact, only slightly further to the left than Eisenhower:



Source

So what happened? Let's look at the compass for the 2008 election:



Source

Seems to me that Obama, much like (nearly) all other US politicians, has been bought and sold. The actual political line he follows is much closer to his Republican predecessors than to the promises he made during the 2008 campaign. So yes, he is indeed on the right side of the spectrum - borderline on the hard-right area, minus the carzy religious ramblings of the Republican hard-right.

No wonder then, that people dislike him (hate, I think, is too strong a term). He ran on a left-leaning platform of hope a change. And yet, he ended up toeing the republican party line, increasing the wealth-gap and putting further pressure on an already shrinking middle-class.

Well I can't argue with that can I?!

But I see what you mean. He started out very left wing and ended up appearing on the right side of the spectrum. I guess the million dollar question would be what caused him to be in such a position so drastically?

However, this isn't a Worldwide Poltical stances. you need Hitler, Stalin, Siegfried, Mandela, Ghandi, and the Dali Lama. at least

[Alsheb]

I hate Obama because he's simply another Bush carrying another party flag. Also, my stomach turns everytime people start spewing nonsense about how him being a "Black president" would somehow make him better. First off he isn't even black, and secondly: a coloured militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital is still a militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital.

[Firsthome]

I hate Obama because he's simply another Bush carrying another party flag. Also, my stomach turns everytime people start spewing nonsense about how him being a "Black president" would somehow make him better. First off he isn't even black, and secondly: a coloured militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital is still a militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital.

I completely Agree.

[Earl of Sandwich IV]

He hates Israel

He gave them Iron Dome. Obviously, he hates them. Logic.

What? Iron Dome was developed by an Israeli company.

[New Jordslag]

He gave them Iron Dome. Obviously, he hates them. Logic.

What? Iron Dome was developed by an Israeli company.

Developed by Israel. Funded by America.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I hate Obama because he's simply another Bush carrying another party flag. Also, my stomach turns everytime people start spewing nonsense about how him being a "Black president" would somehow make him better. First off he isn't even black, and secondly: a coloured militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital is still a militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital.

There are more differences than similarities, though if Obama and Bush happen to be close together on whatever your pet cause is, then I can see how it would look otherwise.

Exactly who is saying that Obama's race makes him better as a President?

Yes, he's black by the standards used in the United States. Basically, if you have a skin tone that will cause security to follow you around a store at the mall, you're black.

[Firsthome]

I hate Obama because he's simply another Bush carrying another party flag. Also, my stomach turns everytime people start spewing nonsense about how him being a "Black president" would somehow make him better. First off he isn't even black, and secondly: a coloured militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital is still a militaristic and ultra-imperialist puppet of big capital.

There are more differences than similarities, though if Obama and Bush happen to be close together on whatever your pet cause is, then I can see how it would look otherwise.

Exactly who is saying that Obama's race makes him better as a President?

Yes, he's black by the standards used in the United States. Basically, if you have a skin tone that will cause security to follow you around a store at the mall, you're black.

even though white people, even by percentage, actually cause more crimes

One of the reasons I probably don't like Him is because FDR is my Fav president

[New Jordslag]

There are more differences than similarities, though if Obama and Bush happen to be close together on whatever your pet cause is, then I can see how it would look otherwise.

Exactly who is saying that Obama's race makes him better as a President?

Yes, he's black by the standards used in the United States. Basically, if you have a skin tone that will cause security to follow you around a store at the mall, you're black.

even though white people, even by percentage, actually cause more crimes

One of the reasons I probably don't like Him is because FDR is my Fav president

The Secret Service (Funny how the acronym is SS) should use their evil Illuminati Black Magic to raise FDR from the grave so we can make him eternal dictator, what with his awesome presidential record and all.

[Atomic Energy]

even though white people, even by percentage, actually cause more crimes

One of the reasons I probably don't like Him is because FDR is my Fav president

The Secret Service (Funny how the acronym is SS) should use their evil Illuminati Black Magic to raise FDR from the grave so we can make him eternal dictator, what with his awesome presidential record and all.

I still like Ike.

[New Jordslag]

The Secret Service (Funny how the acronym is SS) should use their evil Illuminati Black Magic to raise FDR from the grave so we can make him eternal dictator, what with his awesome presidential record and all.

I still like Ike.

He's my second choice. Ike is pretty cool, what with his shutting down Nazi schemes and all.

But FDR is my Bae.