Is it right to sell Tame Foxes?

[Lord Tothe]

fascinating video, and I see no moral or ethical problem with foxes as pets.

[Milks Empire]

There are no such think as tame foxes. There are only tamer foxes. I suspect that like pet skunks, they're a lot harder to care for than people think and most people won't realize the commitment necessary until it's too late.

^ This. Fuck right or wrong; that it's a terrible idea for all involved is reason enough for banning it.

Why would it be, I don't think you went to the site and watched the video sir, IGNORE CANNON

You presume much and have no way of knowing whether or not I did watch it. As for the answer to the inevitable question of whether or not I watched it, I don't believe that's any of your fucking business. So fire the IGNORE Cannon. That you would do so on such stupid grounds is proof positive that the likes of you are not worth my time. And for the record, I said nothing about morals. They do not belong in this discussion.

[The Parkus Empire]

This is morally wrong.

[Slaytesics]

There are no such think as tame foxes. There are only tamer foxes. I suspect that like pet skunks, they're a lot harder to care for than people think and most people won't realize the commitment necessary until it's too late.

^ This. Fuck right or wrong; that it's a terrible idea for all involved is reason enough for banning it.

Why would it be, I don't think you went to the site and watched the video sir, IGNORE CANNON

You presume much and have no way of knowing whether or not I did watch it. As for the answer to the inevitable question of whether or not I watched it, I don't believe that's any of your fucking business. So fire the IGNORE Cannon. That you would do so on such stupid grounds is proof positive that the likes of you are not worth my time. And for the record, I said nothing about morals. They do not belong in this discussion.

But, Morals do belong, that is what the discussion is about.

[Slaytesics]

This is morally wrong.

See, atleast someone uses morals

[Slaytesics]

fascinating video, and I see no moral or ethical problem with foxes as pets.

See, Morals, you may not agree with his/her morals, but atleast think about morals.

[Slaytesics]

There are no such think as tame foxes. There are only tamer foxes. I suspect that like pet skunks, they're a lot harder to care for than people think and most people won't realize the commitment necessary until it's too late.

^ This. Fuck right or wrong; that it's a terrible idea for all involved is reason enough for banning it.

Why would it be, I don't think you went to the site and watched the video sir, IGNORE CANNON

You presume much and have no way of knowing whether or not I did watch it. As for the answer to the inevitable question of whether or not I watched it, I don't believe that's any of your fucking business. So fire the IGNORE Cannon. That you would do so on such stupid grounds is proof positive that the likes of you are not worth my time. And for the record, I said nothing about morals. They do not belong in this discussion.

Look, I want your opinion after watching the video, my morals on this are varied depending on the situation

[Meoton]

They have been bred to be tame. They are probably not as easy to care for as an average dog, but there are breeds of dog that require more care than the average dog.

If they have a good owner or even an average owner, the foxes will definitely be better off as a pet than a fur coat.

[Blitzkrenia]

Until it's about tame kitsunes, I'm not debating.

[Cameroi]

it's not "right" to SELL ANY living organizm.
but to share your house with one you know the needs of,
and love and care for and can and do provide for those needs,
absolutely yes.

limiting comensals to dogs and cats has created an environmental
catastrophy comparable to, and right alone with, and of course because of,
human overpopulation.

a greater diversity of other life form companions is a GOOD thing, a VERY GOOD thing.
capturing them in the wild, to be SOLD to unsuspecting status seekers, ignorant of,
and indifferent to their needs, THAT is a very BAD thing.

you want to stop some poor kid out in the jungle from making a buck
by capturing and raising infant wild creatures, do so by outlawing the SALE of ANY and ALL species,
and not just of foxes,
NOT by banning their responsible friends from sharing their homes with them.

[JuNii]

So... what exactly might be considered wrong about selling tame foxes? Besides some rather anti-social sorts I knew in school, who cares?

the only thing wrong would be the legality... just because it's ok in Russia, doesn't mean it's legal everywhere else.

that and the idea that these foxes might go feral due to some stupid owner not being responsible enough...

[Cameroi]

So... what exactly might be considered wrong about selling tame foxes? Besides some rather anti-social sorts I knew in school, who cares?

the only thing wrong would be the legality... just because it's ok in Russia, doesn't mean it's legal everywhere else.

that and the idea that these foxes might go feral due to some stupid owner not being responsible enough...

laws are made by humans, they are not standards of morality.
there are totally other none the less very good reasons to fallow them.
but when i look at the question, i see it in terms of CHANGING laws, not of breaking them.

feral foxes?
they're everywhere and most people don't even know they're there and never see them.
yes, that means every city already now.

no it's not right to SELL ANY animal.
but to give them a welcome place to live,
if one does the homework to know what that requires,
sorry no, that would not only not be wrong, but very very right,
and i do seriously advocate changing laws to make it legal.

as in my imaginary cameroi it certainly is.

[Lord Tothe]

So... what exactly might be considered wrong about selling tame foxes? Besides some rather anti-social sorts I knew in school, who cares?

the only thing wrong would be the legality... just because it's ok in Russia, doesn't mean it's legal everywhere else.

that and the idea that these foxes might go feral due to some stupid owner not being responsible enough...

laws are made by humans, they are not standards of morality.
there are totally other none the less very good reasons to fallow them.
but when i look at the question, i see it in terms of CHANGING laws, not of breaking them.

feral foxes?
they're everywhere and most people don't even know they're there and never see them.
yes, that means every city already now.

no it's not right to SELL ANY animal.
but to give them a welcome place to live,
if one does the homework to know what that requires,
sorry no, that would not only not be wrong, but very very right,
and i do seriously advocate changing laws to make it legal.

as in my imaginary cameroi it certainly is.

Why is it not right to sell an animal? The breeder has invested time, money, land, and effort in making these animals tame. There are people who are willing to trade their money for this product of the breeder's efforts. Where is the immorality?

[JuNii]

laws are made by humans, they are not standards of morality.
there are totally other none the less very good reasons to fallow them.
but when i look at the question, i see it in terms of CHANGING laws, not of breaking them.

two points.
1) Riaka did not ask about what is MORALLY wrong, just what is wrong
2) many of those laws that restrict 'exotic' pets are not for people, but to protect the animals.

feral foxes?
they're everywhere and most people don't even know they're there and never see them.
yes, that means every city already now.

the difference being, those 'Wild' not feral foxes have their fear of humans. these won't have that fear.

no it's not right to SELL ANY animal.

and this is the excuse that most irrisponsible people would use. why?

but to give them a welcome place to live,

can't buy or sell animals, yet you will pump them with drugs (medicines), mutilate their sexual reproductive organs(Spayed or Neutering) and change their behavior (feeding them) and generally removing their healthy respect of humans... yet you can't buy or sell them? people who tend to believe that one cannot and should not 'own' animals, won't care for their health, nor will they take the precautions that other pet owners take.

if one does the homework to know what that requires,

mighty big IF.

sorry no, that would not only not be wrong, but very very right,
and i do seriously advocate changing laws to make it legal.

and for the US, it's on a state by state basis. and you can blame those that don't do research or those that don't take care of their 'Pets' that is the cause for such laws.

due to some careless individuals, crayfish cannot be brought into Hawaii as pets. that sucks.