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Postby Narland » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:25 am

ts a real shame that hershey can't even make a real milk chocolate bar anymore, and they force the competition away. they remind me of the m$ of chocolate confections. like microbreweries, perhaps peops in the us could start micro-chocolateries! :)

growing up i liked ghirardelli and a local company (cant remember the name as it went out of business in the 60s). It was always better tasting than hershey chocolate, imo and for some reason nestle chocate was illegal. as a kid my absolute favorite was german (or maybe swiss or austrian) milka, but it was very hard to come by and we got some maybe once a year.

from 2000 until 4 years ago we had a local irish/uk import shop that had real cadbury's (and real jelly bellies, and real licorice, and..) but changes in the tax laws forced the bloke shut down. :(

***ponder: would micro-factories for chocolate be feasible in the us?***
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:26 am

THISE BASTARDS! I knew something was wrong when I saw a pack of 5 cream eggs, let alone the fact it hurt when I ate it. This shall not, and has not gone unnoticed! Kraft will pay for its crimes. Why must they poison everything?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:26 am

Olthar wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:I wasn't aware chocolate hipsters even existed, but there you go.

I'm just following all the elitism of this thread to it's logical conclusion.

Loathe as I am to admit it, that's actually quite reasonable within its context.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:27 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:THISE BASTARDS! I knew something was wrong when I saw a pack of 5 cream eggs, let alone the fact it hurt when I ate it. This shall not, and has not gone unnoticed! Kraft will pay for its crimes. Why must they poison everything?

There's probably a Downing Street and/or Change.org petition floating about to nationalise Cadbury and/or Kraft.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:28 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:The UK.
Hence why we're really fucking pissed.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:30 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:THISE BASTARDS! I knew something was wrong when I saw a pack of 5 cream eggs, let alone the fact it hurt when I ate it. This shall not, and has not gone unnoticed! Kraft will pay for its crimes. Why must they poison everything?

Obscene profits, of course.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:32 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:What it implies is their product has a shorter shelf life than Cadbury products, hence why they have to add preservatives.

Well, no. The fact that they've added preservatives implies they have a longer shelf life, because anything with added preservatives is going to last longer than an equivalent product with none. Adding preservatives doesn't mean your product will spoil within seconds otherwise, it implies you want a longer shelf life - which could easily be due to issues of transport time, preferences of their customers for longer-lasting stock to prevent waste, and blah blah blah.

And even if that weren't the case, just because something spoils quickly doesn't mean there's a problem with the recipe. If you leave warm meat out for a day, you won't want to eat it, but you won't complain about how meat is therefore a terrible food.

I mean, in this particular case, preservatives would have implications somewhere between neutral and bad... I just objected to the logic "has preservatives, therefore is terrible."


Sugar is a preservative, so if they have to add extra preservatives on top of all the extra sugar then it's because of a bad shelf life.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:The UK.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:33 am

Actual chocolate is a rare commodity that is quickly getting rarer and more expensive due to the sheer difficulty in growing and harvesting it. It won't be long until chocolate is right up there with caviar as a food exclusively for the rich, leaving cheap-ass knock-off shit for us. Better eat the good stuff while you have a chance.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:34 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:THISE BASTARDS! I knew something was wrong when I saw a pack of 5 cream eggs, let alone the fact it hurt when I ate it. This shall not, and has not gone unnoticed! Kraft will pay for its crimes. Why must they poison everything?

There's probably a Downing Street and/or Change.org petition floating about to nationalise Cadbury and/or Kraft.



https://www.change.org/p/kraft-change-b ... dairy-milk

There is. I urge everyone who cares about quality chocolate to sign it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:34 am

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Yeah, an American company attempting that on Cadbury would have to get rejected by the state department as there is no way the UK would allow it. Protectionism works both ways :p

Kraft owns Cadbury though.
We almost had riots in the streets when that went though.

Then Kraft changed the Dairy Milk chocolate in the Creme Eggs (an "Easter" traditional product over here, available for only part of the year) for American-style chocolate, reduced the pack size and kept the price the same, they turned around, sneering like smarmy fucks and told us they were never called "Dairy Milk Creme Eggs".
Now we might have another set of national riots.


Yeah I heard about that. I guess i'm going to have to try one of the new ones to see how bad it really is.
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Postby Narland » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:35 am

anyone know the feasibility of a crowd-source funding campaign to help cottage confectioners make better chocolates?

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Narland wrote:anyone know the feasibility of a crowd-source funding campaign to help cottage confectioners make better chocolates?

You'll need three physicists and Walt's Superlab from Breaking Bad.
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Postby The Emperor Fenix » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:36 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I buy giant Hershey Special Dark bars from time to time to serve as a vehicle to scoop peanut butter out of a jar and apply it to my face hole. It is essentially a chocolaty cracker. I would never eat Hershey's chocolate solo.


How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:37 am

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Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I buy giant Hershey Special Dark bars from time to time to serve as a vehicle to scoop peanut butter out of a jar and apply it to my face hole. It is essentially a chocolaty cracker. I would never eat Hershey's chocolate solo.


How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:39 am

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Narland wrote:anyone know the feasibility of a crowd-source funding campaign to help cottage confectioners make better chocolates?

You'll need three physicists and Walt's Superlab from Breaking Bad.


Cadbury cream meth? :p

You could try to get the UK gov to nationalise Cadbury, like someone suggested earlier. I also suggest lobbying against American companies buying british companies.
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Postby Narland » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:39 am

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How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.

He's not human; he's a clown.


I saw the flag, and then the name of the country and considered the source. however, if he doesnt come back on line, it could be death by chocolate. :p

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:39 am

The Emperor Fenix wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I buy giant Hershey Special Dark bars from time to time to serve as a vehicle to scoop peanut butter out of a jar and apply it to my face hole. It is essentially a chocolaty cracker. I would never eat Hershey's chocolate solo.


How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.

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Postby Stormwrath » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:40 am

In my opinion, Hershey's is probably trying to prevent competition by preventing overseas competitors from selling their chocolate, such as Cadbury (which is better than Hershey's in my opinion). Everyone probably knows that competition between brands is good, because it helps the main competitors to attempt to produce better quality compared to their rivals. Plus, it's good for us because we can choose from more.

What I am concerned with is how Hershey's is acting. Why should they ban British Cadbury's because of how they make it? That would be like telling someone to stop making cheese sandwiches because he/she does it differently.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:40 am

The Emperor Fenix wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I buy giant Hershey Special Dark bars from time to time to serve as a vehicle to scoop peanut butter out of a jar and apply it to my face hole. It is essentially a chocolaty cracker. I would never eat Hershey's chocolate solo.


How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.


I'm a clown. We are made primarily out of spongy foam rubber. :)
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Postby Narland » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:41 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You'll need three physicists and Walt's Superlab from Breaking Bad.


Cadbury cream meth? :p

You could try to get the UK gov to nationalise Cadbury, like someone suggested earlier. I also suggest lobbying against American companies buying british companies.


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How are you alive ?

How did everyone else pass by that part without wondering the same thing.

He's not human; he's a clown.


Ninja'd! :o


But see? Independent Corroboration. 8)
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:46 am

Stormwrath wrote:In my opinion, Hershey's is probably trying to prevent competition by preventing overseas competitors from selling their chocolate, such as Cadbury (which is better than Hershey's in my opinion). Everyone probably knows that competition between brands is good, because it helps the main competitors to attempt to produce better quality compared to their rivals. Plus, it's good for us because we can choose from more.

What I am concerned with is how Hershey's is acting. Why should they ban British Cadbury's because of how they make it? That would be like telling someone to stop making cheese sandwiches because he/she does it differently.

Monopolism may not be exactly legal, but that doesn't mean companies are not trying to do so despite the law.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:49 am

Hence why capitalism sucks.
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Postby Stormwrath » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:49 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Stormwrath wrote:In my opinion, Hershey's is probably trying to prevent competition by preventing overseas competitors from selling their chocolate, such as Cadbury (which is better than Hershey's in my opinion). Everyone probably knows that competition between brands is good, because it helps the main competitors to attempt to produce better quality compared to their rivals. Plus, it's good for us because we can choose from more.

What I am concerned with is how Hershey's is acting. Why should they ban British Cadbury's because of how they make it? That would be like telling someone to stop making cheese sandwiches because he/she does it differently.

Monopolism may not be exactly legal, but that doesn't mean companies are not trying to do so despite the law.

True. Often times to gain ground in the market you push the competition out through legal disputes, even over trivial details. (Apple vs. Samsung anyone?)

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