Evolution (and abiongenesis, Cosmology, etc) vs ID, again

[The Orson Empire]

I believe in evolution, but I believe that God caused it to happen.

There is simply too much scientific evidence to deny that evolution exists, and anyone that does so is being willfully ignorant.

[Geilinor]

DNA and RNA are like any other molecule, only larger.

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

Hence "larger".

[Neutraligon]

DNA and RNA are like any other molecule, only larger.

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

molecules can be very complex...and? They are still simply chemical reactions.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

DNA and RNA are actually very simple in their basic structure. The complexity comes from the pattern formed through the strand of DNA.

[Killdash]

Show me an example of life appearing from non living chemicals, in direct violation of biological standards.

We can show that the building blocks of life are capable of coming from non-living material. And no abiogenesis is not the same thing as spontaneous generation. Give me evidence that an intelligent designer made everything.

Show me this evidence.

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

[Mavorpen]

DNA and RNA are like any other molecule, only larger.

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

But it isn't mind boggling complex. I mean, I literally memorized the structure for an exam.

[Killdash]

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

molecules can be very complex...and? They are still simply chemical reactions.

Complexity doesn't arise from nothing. You have to explain how it got there.

[Securitan]

DNA and evolution are created by Satan to confuse us.

[MERIZoC]

We can show that the building blocks of life are capable of coming from non-living material. And no abiogenesis is not the same thing as spontaneous generation. Give me evidence that an intelligent designer made everything.

Show me this evidence.

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

Therefor: God.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Show me this evidence.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/iconob.html#Miller-Urey

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

Nothing can be 'proven correct', ever. Everything is a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

[Godular]

We can show that the building blocks of life are capable of coming from non-living material. And no abiogenesis is not the same thing as spontaneous generation. Give me evidence that an intelligent designer made everything.

Show me this evidence.

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

http://people.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html

Is just the one I can think of off the top of my head. There are several others that I'm sure one could hunt down given sufficient inclination.

[Solaray]

I've always been a fan of theistic evolution myself.

Isn't intelligent design just a slightly more subtle way of saying creationism?

[Alyakia]

molecules can be very complex...and? They are still simply chemical reactions.

Complexity doesn't arise from nothing. You have to explain how it got there.

mutations/fall of man.

[Mavorpen]

The fuck does abiogenesis have to do with evolution?

[Killdash]

Completly ignoring their mind boggling complexity.

But it isn't mind boggling complex. I mean, I literally memorized the structure for an exam.

When stranded together to create for than single celled organisms, DNA is so complex, that a single pinhead contains the Libary of Congress.

[Forsher]

I have a vague interest in evolution, accept its truth and spend very little time worrying about it (which is to say, I spend no time worrying about it).

Show me an example of a bearded sky fairy.

Ah, a trick questions. There are floating sky beards, smiles and fairies. However, sky fairies are hairless and, so, don't grow beards.

As well as in integral part of ID. In ID, it is used as evidence of a thinking designer, who added a adaptation toggle to his species. Note that variation in a species does not prove species changing into other species, a concept that has never been observed.

Speciation follows from adaptation.

So, polar bears are a result of allopatric speciation?

[Securitan]

I've always been a fan of theistic evolution myself.

Isn't intelligent design just a slightly more subtle way of saying creationism?

Same thing, both truth.

[Confederate Ramenia]

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

This is the only correct answer. No theory can be proven correct, and no theory is absolutely correct either. I personally believe in evolution happened, but I know it's false.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

I've always been a fan of theistic evolution myself.

Isn't intelligent design just a slightly more subtle way of saying creationism?

The way most people use it, yes.

ID is just a collection of arguments to use against evolution. There is no developed 'Theory of Intelligent Design'.

[Geilinor]

So, polar bears are a result of allopatric speciation?

Not an expert, but maybe.

[Mavorpen]

But it isn't mind boggling complex. I mean, I literally memorized the structure for an exam.

When stranded together to create for than single celled organisms, DNA is so complex, that a single pinhead contains the Libary of Congress.

No it isn't. Four base pairs isn't complex at all.

[Securitan]

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

This is the only correct answer. No theory can be proven correct, and no theory is absolutely correct either. I personally believe in evolution happened, but I know it's false.

You believe in it even if you know it is false? This is Satan confusing you!

[Geilinor]

But it isn't mind boggling complex. I mean, I literally memorized the structure for an exam.

When stranded together to create for than single celled organisms, DNA is so complex, that a single pinhead contains the Libary of Congress.

Molecules are tiny.
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No shit.

[Neutraligon]

We can show that the building blocks of life are capable of coming from non-living material. And no abiogenesis is not the same thing as spontaneous generation. Give me evidence that an intelligent designer made everything.

Show me this evidence.

My personal viewpoint is that no origins theory can be proven correct. It's more a case of looking at the available evidence and interpreting it.

So what is the evidence that there is an intelligent creator?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 162009.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... MbyZC5SKsA

[Securitan]

But it isn't mind boggling complex. I mean, I literally memorized the structure for an exam.

When stranded together to create for than single celled organisms, DNA is so complex, that a single pinhead contains the Libary of Congress.

Where is your source?

EDIT: For DNA existing, I mean.