Evolution (and abiongenesis, Cosmology, etc) vs ID, again

[Securitan]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

[Margno]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

It's implied, to be fair. I don't think there's much discussion of multiverse theory in the bible.

Heaven? Hell? The new heaven? The new earth?

[Godular]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

It's implied, to be fair. I don't think there's much discussion of multiverse theory in the bible.

ib4bible-thumpers-start-quoting-evidence-for-brane-theory

[Securitan]

It's implied, to be fair. I don't think there's much discussion of multiverse theory in the bible.

Heaven? Hell? The new heaven? The new earth?

All supposed to be physical spaces in our current realm.

[Margno]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that multiple universes is what it actually is, and the writers of genesis didn't specify that because they didn't know what multiple universes were.

[Margno]

Heaven? Hell? The new heaven? The new earth?

All supposed to be physical spaces in our current realm.

Cite.

[Benuty]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

I'd hardly call priests, poets, and courtesans in the courts of Kings mere desert folk.

[Securitan]

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that multiple universes is what it actually is, and the writers of genesis didn't specify that because they didn't know what multiple universes were.

So they were writing something that they didn't even understand only for their writings to be interpreted 3500 years later by a person who reads into literal speech way too much?

[Benuty]

Heaven? Hell? The new heaven? The new earth?

All supposed to be physical spaces in our current realm.

Yeah good luck on the last two, since they are supposed to occur after the massive genocide wank in Revelations.

[Securitan]

All supposed to be physical spaces in our current realm.

Cite.

I'm the one who is taking what the Bible says literally. If you want to extrapolate from the Bible evidence for extra dimensions - you justify your claim.

[Securitan]

All supposed to be physical spaces in our current realm.

Yeah good luck on the last two, since they are supposed to occur after the massive genocide wank in Revelations.

Earth 2: The Next Generation.

[Godular]

Yeah good luck on the last two, since they are supposed to occur after the massive genocide wank in Revelations.

Earth 2: The Next Generation.

I think I saw that series... wasn't it on CW?

[The Lotophagi]

Where in the bible does it say that the events of genesis are to be understood as occurring in this universe, which has only one timeline, which has never changed?

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

Now, see if the opening paragraph of Genesis looked something like this;

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a high-density pre-baryogenesis singularity. Darkness lay over the deep and God moved upon the face of the hyperspatial matrix. He separated the firmament from the quark-gluon plasma and said: let there be particle/anti-particle pairs, and there was light. He created the fish of the sea and the fruits of the trees, the moon and the stars and the beasts of the earth, and to these he said: Go forth, be fruitful and mutate. And on the seventh day, the rest mass of the universe came to gravitationally dominate the photon radiation, hallow it, and keep it.

God, rapidly redshifting, hurriedly formed man from the dust of single-celled organisms, called him Adam, and caused him to dwell in the Garden of Eden, to classify the beasts according to kingdom, phylum and species. God forbade Man only to eat from the Tree of Meiosis. Adam did as he was told, and as a reward God instructed him in the ways of parthenogenesis. Thus was Woman born, and called Eve. Adam and Eve dwelt in the pre-quantum differentiated universe, in a paradise without wave-particle duality. But interference patterns came to Eve in the shape of a Serpent, and wrapping her in its matter/anti-matter coils, it said: eat from the Tree of Meiosis and your eyes will be opened. Eve protested that she would not break covenant with God, but the Serpent answered: fear not, for you float in a random quantum-gravity foam, and from a single bite will rise an inexorable inflation event, and you will become like unto God, expanding forever outward.

And so Eve ate from the Tree, and knew that she was a naked child of divergent universes. She took the fruit to Adam, and said unto him: there are things you do not understand, but I do. And Adam was angry, and snatched the fruit from Eve and devoured it, and from beyond the cosmic background radiation, God sighed, for all physical processes are reversible in theory—but not in practice. Man and Woman were expelled from the Garden, and a flaming sword was placed through the Gates of Eden as a reminder that the universe would now contract, and someday perish in a conflagration of entropy, only to increase in density, burst, and expand again, causing further high velocity redistributions of serpents, fruit, men, women, helium-3, lithium-7, deuterium, and helium-4.

he might have had a point. But it doesn't look like that.

[Nord Amour]

Creationism is especially ridiculous considering that the Zohar serves as evidence that Genesis is just an overly esoteric and complex metaphor.

When it comes to Abrahamism, Judaic literature holds authority over conservative Christianity.

[Godular]

Are you saying the desert folk who wrote the Bible intended for people to imagine alternate universes in which the things they wrote are completely accurate?

Now, see if the opening paragraph of Genesis looked something like this;

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a high-density pre-baryogenesis singularity. Darkness lay over the deep and God moved upon the face of the hyperspatial matrix. He separated the firmament from the quark-gluon plasma and said: let there be particle/anti-particle pairs, and there was light. He created the fish of the sea and the fruits of the trees, the moon and the stars and the beasts of the earth, and to these he said: Go forth, be fruitful and mutate. And on the seventh day, the rest mass of the universe came to gravitationally dominate the photon radiation, hallow it, and keep it.

God, rapidly redshifting, hurriedly formed man from the dust of single-celled organisms, called him Adam, and caused him to dwell in the Garden of Eden, to classify the beasts according to kingdom, phylum and species. God forbade Man only to eat from the Tree of Meiosis. Adam did as he was told, and as a reward God instructed him in the ways of parthenogenesis. Thus was Woman born, and called Eve. Adam and Eve dwelt in the pre-quantum differentiated universe, in a paradise without wave-particle duality. But interference patterns came to Eve in the shape of a Serpent, and wrapping her in its matter/anti-matter coils, it said: eat from the Tree of Meiosis and your eyes will be opened. Eve protested that she would not break covenant with God, but the Serpent answered: fear not, for you float in a random quantum-gravity foam, and from a single bite will rise an inexorable inflation event, and you will become like unto God, expanding forever outward.

And so Eve ate from the Tree, and knew that she was a naked child of divergent universes. She took the fruit to Adam, and said unto him: there are things you do not understand, but I do. And Adam was angry, and snatched the fruit from Eve and devoured it, and from beyond the cosmic background radiation, God sighed, for all physical processes are reversible in theory—but not in practice. Man and Woman were expelled from the Garden, and a flaming sword was placed through the Gates of Eden as a reminder that the universe would now contract, and someday perish in a conflagration of entropy, only to increase in density, burst, and expand again, causing further high velocity redistributions of serpents, fruit, men, women, helium-3, lithium-7, deuterium, and helium-4.

he might have had a point. But it doesn't look like that.

I would read the SHIT out of that Bible.

[Securitan]

Creationism is especially ridiculous considering that the Zohar serves as evidence that Genesis is just an overly esoteric and complex metaphor.

When it comes to Abrahamism, Judaic literature holds authority over conservative Christianity.

I didn't know there was a religion to worship Abraham Lincoln.

apparently now I have to do this /sarcasm

[Margno]

Quite the opposite. I'm saying that multiple universes is what it actually is, and the writers of genesis didn't specify that because they didn't know what multiple universes were.

So they were writing something that they didn't even understand only for their writings to be interpreted 3500 years later by a person who reads into literal speech way too much?

Jesus' initial audience very probably assumed heaven referred to the literal heavens. As soon as the question was raised which they meant: the sky or some other, spiritual place, they knew which one it was. Before the question was raised, they carried the image with the doctrine.
As of Augustine's time, the debate concerning genesis was whether it was pure allegory, or only partially allegory. They knew it wasn't supposed to be the historical past of their world as soon as they asked the question.
All I'm saying is that Eden should be thought of the same way heaven, hell, purgatory, hades, the new heaven, and the new earth have for fifteen hundred years.

[Securitan]

So they were writing something that they didn't even understand only for their writings to be interpreted 3500 years later by a person who reads into literal speech way too much?

Jesus' initial audience very probably assumed heaven referred to the literal heavens. As soon as the question was raised which they meant: the sky or some other, spiritual place, they knew which one it was. Before the question was raised, they carried the image with the doctrine.
As of Augustine's time, the debate concerning genesis was whether it was pure allegory, or only partially allegory. They knew it wasn't supposed to be the historical past of their world as soon as they asked the question.
All I'm saying is that Eden should be thought of the same way heaven, hell, purgatory, hades, the new heaven, and the new earth have for fifteen hundred years.

So it's a case of magical adaptable text then. There's always another way to interpret it that justifies the facts in the real world.

[Nord Amour]

Creationism is especially ridiculous considering that the Zohar serves as evidence that Genesis is just an overly esoteric and complex metaphor.

When it comes to Abrahamism, Judaic literature holds authority over conservative Christianity.

I didn't know there was a religion to worship Abraham Lincoln.

apparently now I have to do this /sarcasm

Perhaps not, but there is a religion for the worship of Prince Philip.

[Securitan]

I didn't know there was a religion to worship Abraham Lincoln.

apparently now I have to do this /sarcasm

Perhaps not, but there is a religion for the worship of Prince Philip.

I remember I heard about that a while back.

[Margno]

Cite.

I'm the one who is taking what the Bible says literally. If you want to extrapolate from the Bible evidence for extra dimensions - you justify your claim.

You've made a claim that in order to believe the bible literally, you must believe that the timeline of earth has never changed. Prove it.

[Sun Wukong]

Initially I read that as "Evolution (and abiongenesis, Cosplay, etc) vs ID, again"

That would have been a much more interesting thread.

[Geilinor]

I'm the one who is taking what the Bible says literally. If you want to extrapolate from the Bible evidence for extra dimensions - you justify your claim.

You've made a claim that in order to believe the bible literally, you must believe that the timeline of earth has never changed. Prove it.

What do you mean by, "timeline of Earth"?

[Margno]

Jesus' initial audience very probably assumed heaven referred to the literal heavens. As soon as the question was raised which they meant: the sky or some other, spiritual place, they knew which one it was. Before the question was raised, they carried the image with the doctrine.
As of Augustine's time, the debate concerning genesis was whether it was pure allegory, or only partially allegory. They knew it wasn't supposed to be the historical past of their world as soon as they asked the question.
All I'm saying is that Eden should be thought of the same way heaven, hell, purgatory, hades, the new heaven, and the new earth have for fifteen hundred years.

So it's a case of magical adaptable text then. There's always another way to interpret it that justifies the facts in the real world.

It's a historical record of ancient observations, which, in the context of science, we interpret in light of contemporary understandings of physics.

[Securitan]

I'm the one who is taking what the Bible says literally. If you want to extrapolate from the Bible evidence for extra dimensions - you justify your claim.

You've made a claim that in order to believe the bible literally, you must believe that the timeline of earth has never changed. Prove it.

I suppose you can believe the Bible literally and also believe that the timeline of the Earth has changed, but it wouldn't make sense in the context of what the people writing the Bible down thought they were writing down. I don't think they had alternate timelines in mind, and I think that because alternate timelines are never mentioned.