Communism and Socialism megathread

[United States Kingdom]

I would consider myself a Democratic Socialist.

[Dejanic]

Really?

How often does Fascism embrace globalist capitalism?
How often does Fascism embrace economic immigration?
How often does Fascism embrace private ownership?
How often does Fascism embrace private healthcare?
How often does Fascism embrace enterprise?
How often does Fascism embrace religion?

What's important to keep in mind is that far-right doesn't just describe one's position on the economic scale. Social and cultural scales also come into play. Frankly, the "left-right" political spectrum is good for simplicity's sake, but creates a number of double standards.

Yeah it's all very confusing. I mean Fascists and Anarcho Capitalists both have the right to be referred to as "far-right" but obviously the two ideologies are miles apart and share almost nothing. A similar comparison could be made on the far-left between Stalinists and Anarcho Communists for example.

[The New Sea Territory]

Not saying that is the definition of a state, but that all states have a political hierarchy.

So? Political hierarchy and communism aren't mutually exclusive, provided this hierarchy doesn't constitute a class and isn't a state.

Political hierarchy inherently creates classes. The ruling class (politicians), the enforcement class (military/cops) and the common people.

[Conscentia]

So? Political hierarchy and communism aren't mutually exclusive, provided this hierarchy doesn't constitute a class and isn't a state.

Political hierarchy inherently creates classes. The ruling class (politicians), the enforcement class (military/cops) and the common people.

Occupations are not classes.

[The New Sea Territory]

Political hierarchy inherently creates classes. The ruling class (politicians), the enforcement class (military/cops) and the common people.

Occupations are not classes.

[United Marxist Nations]

Occupations are not classes.

Which is why you would make the military and the politicians be common working people. Hell, you advocate for workers' councils and a peoples' militia, this kind of thinking isn't new to you.

[The New Sea Territory]

Which is why you would make the military and the politicians be common working people. Hell, you advocate for workers' councils and a peoples' militia, this kind of thinking isn't new to you.

Yes, of course, but that can only be achieved through stateless direct democracy. Anarchism.

A society with a Weberian state inherently has a ruling class, the political elites or, in the case of the Soviet Union and other Vanguardist countries, the nomenklatura.

[The New Sisterhood]

I wonder how many people would have trolled (or, scarily, been sincere) if you put fascism.
As I can't vote this, my answer is civil-rights lovefest.

[United Marxist Nations]

Which is why you would make the military and the politicians be common working people. Hell, you advocate for workers' councils and a peoples' militia, this kind of thinking isn't new to you.

Yes, of course, but that can only be achieved through stateless direct democracy. Anarchism.

A society with a Weberian state inherently has a ruling class, the political elites or the nomenklatura.

Then how does anarchism stop this? If anarchism were to be applied to a large population, it would inherently have to have a weberian state.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

I wonder how many people would have trolled (or, scarily, been sincere) if you put fascism.
As I can't vote this, my answer is civil-rights lovefest.

NSG hosts several fascists, actually.

[Margno]

This should be required reading for socialists, especially anarcho-communists.

[The New Sea Territory]

Then how does anarchism stop this?

It decentralized power.

If anarchism were to be applied to a large population, it would inherently have to have a weberian state.

No, it wouldn't. While being a theory usually accepted by anarcho-capitalists, a voluntary society, abiding by anarchism without adjectives, is the embodiment of anarchism.

[United Marxist Nations]

Then how does anarchism stop this?

It decentralized power.

If anarchism were to be applied to a large population, it would inherently have to have a weberian state.

No, it wouldn't. While being a theory usually accepted by anarcho-capitalists, a voluntary society, abiding by anarchism without adjectives, is the embodiment of anarchism.

If you have an armed forces (which you've previously stated it would have), laws, etc., then you would, by definition, have an "enforcement class".

[Ripoll]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

[United Marxist Nations]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Democratic socialism isn't radical leftism.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

[Sanctissima]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

You sir, or madam, are intelligent.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

You sir, or madam, are intelligent.

Well, thank you.

[Montoso]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

Eithier that, or they like the marching and music.

Example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FihDY-GC7VQ

[Puryong]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

I've been socialist from the age of around 14, although as I began to understand more about economics I started to understand that communism is pretty infeasible.

What would you class as 'young' by the way? I'm 18 in a few weeks, and I consider myself to be pretty mature for my age, but then there are some NS'ers in their 30's and 40's so it's all relative.

[Conscentia]

Occupations are not classes.

Guess you think doctors are a class, and postal workers a class, and fishers are a class, and scientists are a class, and ...

[Puryong]

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

Eithier that, or they like the marching and music.

Example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FihDY-GC7VQ

If it was the music which made people follow an ideology we would all be Serb nationalists..

[Alsheb]

Can someone explain to me what's with all the democratic socialists? Or radical leftism in general? Why is it appealing, why do you think it makes economic sense, why do you think it can actually work as well as our status quo society does.

Well, some people like the idea of equality for all. Some like the philosophy behind Marxism and or Anarchism. When I was a bit younger, I was a social democrat, and not a social democrat of the moderate third way variety either. Now, of course, I'm an unrepentant centre rightist.

Moving on, a lot of NS'ers are young. Now, I'm not saying that older communists don't exist, they do, and they're generally quite intelligent. People like 4Years, Therulizdian, Constantinopolis, and others come to mind. But, the younger NS'ers, those below the age of 15. They're probably most likely to view leftism as favorable, because teens are generally rather idealistic.

If only it were so that being young automatically means you're radical left. Our communist youth movements would be flooded.
However, these aren't the 1960s anymore. Most youth tends to be rather apolotical or apathetic (something I have to admit with pain in my heart).
Are there idealistic young leftists? Oh yes. I know of many pseudo-hippy types that joined the communist youth movement out of sheer enthusiasm or desire for the alternative instead of out of real ideological or political motives. But then it is the responsibility of the movement or party to ensure the ideological and political steadfastness and formation of its members. Personally, i'm 23. And have been a Communist since age 15, so I know what I'm talking about.

So in short, yes. There are idealistic and politicaly uneducated "leftists" amongst the teenage generation. But that doesn't mean we should distrust their dedication. The idea of "young means left, old means right" is frankly very stupid.

[The New Sea Territory]

Guess you think doctors are a class, and postal workers a class, and fishers are a class, and scientists are a class, and ...

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Here's what I think of that:

Does it follow that I reject all authority? Far from me such a thought. In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult that of the architect or the engineer. For such or such special knowledge I apply to such or such a savant. But I allow neither the bootmaker nor the architect nor the savant to impose his authority upon me. I listen to them freely and with all the respect merited by their intelligence, their character, their knowledge, reserving always my incontestable right of criticism and censure. I do not content myself with consulting a single authority in any special branch; I consult several; I compare their opinions, and choose that which seems to me the soundest. But I recognise no infallible authority, even in special questions; consequently, whatever respect I may have for the honesty and the sincerity of such or such an individual, I have no absolute faith in any person. Such a faith would be fatal to my reason, to my liberty, and even to the success of my undertakings; it would immediately transform me into a stupid slave, an instrument of the will and interests of others.

If I bow before the authority of the specialists and avow my readiness to follow, to a certain extent and as long as may seem to me necessary, their indications and even their directions, it is because their authority is imposed on me by no one, neither by men nor by God. Otherwise I would repel them with horror, and bid the devil take their counsels, their directions, and their services, certain that they would make me pay, by the loss of my liberty and self-respect, for such scraps of truth, wrapped in a multitude of lies, as they might give me.

I bow before the authority of special men because it is imposed on me by my own reason. I am conscious of my own inability to grasp, in all its detail, and positive development, any very large portion of human knowledge. The greatest intelligence would not be equal to a comprehension of the whole. Thence results, for science as well as for industry, the necessity of the division and association of labour. I receive and I give - such is human life. Each directs and is directed in his turn. Therefore there is no fixed and constant authority, but a continual exchange of mutual, temporary, and, above all, voluntary authority and subordination.

To say that the relationship between a politician and a commoner is not a form of class struggle, or conflicting class interests, would defeat the point of the term "class struggle".

[The New Sea Territory]

It decentralized power.



No, it wouldn't. While being a theory usually accepted by anarcho-capitalists, a voluntary society, abiding by anarchism without adjectives, is the embodiment of anarchism.

If you have an armed forces (which you've previously stated it would have), laws, etc., then you would, by definition, have an "enforcement class".

No, because the soldier is not above any other individual, and they are used only to combat direct forms of aggression. They only use violence as a reaction to previously initiated violence, or the direct threat of violence. They do not "enforce", but they do retaliate to those who attempt to force their will onto others.