Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Mavorpen]

Reagan could have literally made fart noises and it would be more insightful than that quote.

Just because the man spent billions of US dollars trying to build a death star to destroy the Soviet Union doesn't mean that once in a while he didn't have a half-decent thought.

There's nothing decent or even half decent about that quote. You could replace the "unborn" and the "born" with "cockroach" and "human" and it would still be true. It's obvious that something that isn't capable of making choices doesn't have a choice while something that can make choices does make choices.

It isn't insightful. It isn't smart. It's the equivalent to saying the sun is hot and then throwing your arms into the air and expecting mass applause at your "brilliance."

[Sanctissima]

Well, for starters, I'm not a Republican. So, no, it isn't.

Doesn't matter if you're a Republican. The GOP is dead-set against abortion, for the most part.

That doesn't mean they can't say something sensible once in a while.

[Farnhamia]

Doesn't matter if you're a Republican. The GOP is dead-set against abortion, for the most part.

That doesn't mean they can't say something sensible once in a while.

I wish they would.

[Settrah]

Using a quote from a republican president, there's no way that could be bias..

Well, for starters, I'm not a Republican. So, no, it isn't.

Republican presidents as a quote though. Really? I mean they have to be pro life. It's in the manual, it's practically the first thing they get programmed into them so that they even qualify to lead the party. It's no surprise that any republican president will say anything, and make it sound as lovely as possible, to get people to go along with what is a fundamentally rigid American ideology.

Pro life, no gun control, and red scare. Those are the three biggies that seem to be enough.

[Sanctissima]

Just because the man spent billions of US dollars trying to build a death star to destroy the Soviet Union doesn't mean that once in a while he didn't have a half-decent thought.

There's nothing decent or even half decent about that quote. You could replace the "unborn" and the "born" with "cockroach" and "human" and it would still be true. It's obvious that something that isn't capable of making choices doesn't have a choice while something that can make choices does make choices.

It isn't insightful. It isn't smart. It's the equivalent to saying the sun is hot and then throwing your arms into the air going and expecting mass applause at your brilliance.

Dogs can't choose for themselves. Does that mean I can go around a neighborhood killing people's dogs?

[Ifreann]

And I'm sure St. Reagan is pleased that his words are being quoted to this day, but that doesn't have anything to do with why the political position characterised by opposition to legal abortion is called "pro-life"

Because we don't argue in favor of killing things.

But that quote has nothing to do with that. Nor does your "Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born." post.

[Sanctissima]

Well, for starters, I'm not a Republican. So, no, it isn't.

Republican presidents as a quote though. Really? I mean they have to be pro life. It's in the manual, it's practically the first thing they get programmed into them so that they even qualify to lead the party. It's no surprise that any republican president will say anything, and make it sound as lovely as possible, to get people to go along with what is a fundamentally rigid American ideology.

Pro life, no gun control, and red scare Those are the three biggies that seem to be enough.

One could say the same thing about pro-choice in the Democrat Party.

[Mavorpen]

There's nothing decent or even half decent about that quote. You could replace the "unborn" and the "born" with "cockroach" and "human" and it would still be true. It's obvious that something that isn't capable of making choices doesn't have a choice while something that can make choices does make choices.

It isn't insightful. It isn't smart. It's the equivalent to saying the sun is hot and then throwing your arms into the air going and expecting mass applause at your brilliance.

Dogs can't choose for themselves. Does that mean I can go around a neighborhood killing people's dogs?

Dogs are capable of conscious decision making.

Try again, and this time actually understand what you're talking about first.

[San Andreas California]

im pro life

[Farnhamia]

There's nothing decent or even half decent about that quote. You could replace the "unborn" and the "born" with "cockroach" and "human" and it would still be true. It's obvious that something that isn't capable of making choices doesn't have a choice while something that can make choices does make choices.

It isn't insightful. It isn't smart. It's the equivalent to saying the sun is hot and then throwing your arms into the air going and expecting mass applause at your brilliance.

Dogs can't choose for themselves. Does that mean I can go around a neighborhood killing people's dogs?

Dogs are property, so no.

[Sanctissima]

Because we don't argue in favor of killing things.

But that quote has nothing to do with that. Nor does your "Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born." post.

It trumps the "you're not a woman, so what input do you have?" argument.

[Sanctissima]

Dogs can't choose for themselves. Does that mean I can go around a neighborhood killing people's dogs?

Dogs are property, so no.

You realize that's the same argument which was used in the American South prior to emancipation.

[Mavorpen]

Dogs are property, so no.

You realize that's the same argument which was used in the American South prior to emancipation.

...And?

I'm sure that they also breathed air.

[Settrah]

Republican presidents as a quote though. Really? I mean they have to be pro life. It's in the manual, it's practically the first thing they get programmed into them so that they even qualify to lead the party. It's no surprise that any republican president will say anything, and make it sound as lovely as possible, to get people to go along with what is a fundamentally rigid American ideology.

Pro life, no gun control, and red scare. Those are the three biggies that seem to be enough.

One could say the same thing about pro-choice in the Democrat Party.

Difference is, no one here has quoted any Democrat, and tried to pass it off as a persuasive insight.

[Sanctissima]

You realize that's the same argument which was used in the American South prior to emancipation.

...And?

I'm sure that they also breathed air.

So calling unborn children "property" is kind of shallow.

[Halnatorum]

Abortion = murder.

[Mavorpen]

...And?

I'm sure that they also breathed air.

So calling unborn children "property" is kind of shallow.

Farn called dogs property. Fetuses aren't dogs last time I checked.

[Genivaria]

Abortion = murder.

No its not.

[Sanctissima]

So calling unborn children "property" is kind of shallow.

Farn called dogs property. Fetuses aren't dogs last time I checked.

Are you allergic to analogies?

[Farnhamia]

Dogs are property, so no.

You realize that's the same argument which was used in the American South prior to emancipation.

Slavery has nothing to do with this. You asked if you could go around killing other people's dogs and I told you why you could not.

[Socialist Czechia]

I could also say, that abortion is 'Pro-Life' since pregnancy ruined and may ruin lives of many women and their unwanted children.

Life in misery is worse than loss of few unconscious cells inside woman. Beside, why these cells should have more rights than her?

Either you must accept that woman has an option to have or not to have kids, or you're suggesting that women are not free people.

[Isle Carlisle]

My body, my choice.

You can't force someone to follow your religious beliefs, just like you can't force someone to be an incubator for nine months.

[Infected Mushroom]

Pro-Choice.

I have nightmares about having children and being forced to keep them. I would rather have the option to abort. Its in my self-interest.

Also, because Freedom.

[Mavorpen]

Farn called dogs property. Fetuses aren't dogs last time I checked.

Are you allergic to analogies?

No, just ones built on straw men.

[Sanctissima]

You realize that's the same argument which was used in the American South prior to emancipation.

Slavery has nothing to do with this. You asked if you could go around killing other people's dogs and I told you why you could not.

It was an analogy.

The question is, do you or do you not consider a fetus to be a woman's property?