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Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?

Yes, absolutely!
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Yes, but only in certain circumstances (please specify in a post)
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No, never!
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:31 am

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Mavorpen wrote:You have an actual source or are you just making shit up.


Logically, most women who support absolute rights to abortion don't personally plan on having kids.

That's not to say they won't eventually have kids anyway, but more often than not, someone who is unconditionally pro-choice does not (or isn't planning to) have children of their own.

It seem that you're quite making shit up. I'm completly 100% pro-choice, but I still want to have 3/4 kids. So, your "rule" is false.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:31 am

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In my defense, NSG isn't exactly the kind of place where you can find the most universal of statistics.

You have the internet at your fingertips quit making excuses.

Speak for yourself. Every statistic I give out is 100% certified correct.
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Postby The Five Galaxies » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:32 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You have the internet at your fingertips quit making excuses.

Speak for yourself. Every statistic I give out is 100% certified correct.


Can I get a citation on that fabulous statistic? :p
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:32 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why do you think this?


As you've demonstrated, your logic was nothing but assumptions layered on guesses with a nice unsubstantiated frosting.


In my defense, NSG isn't exactly the kind of place where you can find the most universal of statistics.

And in my offence, you seem to have mistaken anecdotes for statistics.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:33 am

Just a note, call protection of few unconscious human cells as 'Pro-Life' is disgusting demagogy, like calling abortion a 'holocaust'.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:33 am

The Five Galaxies wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Speak for yourself. Every statistic I give out is 100% certified correct.


Can I get a citation on that fabulous statistic? :p

Source
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:34 am

Aelex wrote:]
Sanctissima wrote:
Logically, most women who support absolute rights to abortion don't personally plan on having kids.

That's not to say they won't eventually have kids anyway, but more often than not, someone who is unconditionally pro-choice does not (or isn't planning to) have children of their own.

It seem that you're quite making shit up. I'm completly 100% pro-choice, but I still want to have 3/4 kids. So, your "rule" is false.


I didn't say it was true 100% of the time. I said that most women who are pro-choice don't personally plan on having kids. Probably should have added the word "probably".
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:35 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a note, call protection of few unconscious human cells as 'Pro-Life' is disgusting demagogy, like calling abortion a 'holocaust'.


Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.
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Postby The Five Galaxies » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:35 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The Five Galaxies wrote:
Can I get a citation on that fabulous statistic? :p

Source


Huh, it checks out. Can't argue with that.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:38 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a note, call protection of few unconscious human cells as 'Pro-Life' is disgusting demagogy, like calling abortion a 'holocaust'.


Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.

What does that have to do with anything?
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.

What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan
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Postby Securitan » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.

What does that have to do with anything?

Apparently everything.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:43 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

I'll point out that a great many of the people who are most vehemently against abortion are men. Weird, huh?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:44 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:Just a note, call protection of few unconscious human cells as 'Pro-Life' is disgusting demagogy, like calling abortion a 'holocaust'.


Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.

Switching to non-sequitors i see.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:44 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

Reagan could have literally made fart noises and it would be more insightful than that quote.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Speak for yourself, you're the one who's already been born.

What does that have to do with anything?


Because some people have mental issue to accept, that his/her mother could simply buy abortion pill or go to doctor, after their dad put jizz inside her and she thought kids are not cool to keep :p
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:46 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

It doesnt have the capacity to choose.
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Postby Settrah » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:47 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan


Using a quote from a republican president on the topic of pro life, there's no way that could be bias..
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:47 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

Reagan could have literally made fart noises and it would be more insightful than that quote.


Just because the man spent billions of US dollars trying to build a death star to destroy the Soviet Union doesn't mean that once in a while he didn't have a half-decent thought.
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:48 am

Settrah wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan


Using a quote from a republican president, there's no way that could be bias..


Well, for starters, I'm not a Republican. So, no, it isn't.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:48 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What does that have to do with anything?


I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

And I'm sure St. Reagan is pleased that his words are being quoted to this day, but that doesn't have anything to do with why the political position characterised by opposition to legal abortion is called "pro-life"
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:48 am

Genivaria wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

It doesnt have the capacity to choose.


So that means it gets no rights whatsoever?
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Postby The NSSA » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:49 am

I guess I am both pro-life and pro-choice.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:49 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Settrah wrote:
Using a quote from a republican president, there's no way that could be bias..


Well, for starters, I'm not a Republican. So, no, it isn't.

Doesn't matter if you're a Republican. The GOP is dead-set against abortion, for the most part.
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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
I guess I'll use a Reagan quote to explain:

"With regard to the freedom of the individual for choice with regard to abortion, there's one individual who's not being considered at all. That's the one who is being aborted. And I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan

And I'm sure St. Reagan is pleased that his words are being quoted to this day, but that doesn't have anything to do with why the political position characterised by opposition to legal abortion is called "pro-life"


Because we don't argue in favor of killing things.
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