Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[The Five Galaxies]

No. It makes perfect sense.

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

Seriously, why does this matter to you? So what if they nearly aborted you? They quite clearly did not.

[Genivaria]

No. It makes perfect sense.

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

It would be irrelevant. The better question is why are you so obsessed with this notion?

[Mavorpen]

That doesn't automatically mean that they were almost aborted. Do you have even logic?

It implies that there was the probability that their parents may have considered it, or even discussed it.

And if they support homosexual marriage, clearly that implies there was the probability that they may have considered it and are closet homosexuals.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No. It makes perfect sense.

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

They did actually discuss it.

I just shrugged my shoulders and went "oh well. It'd have been your choice anyways." And went on my merry way to keep being their son.

[Sanctissima]

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

Seriously, why does this matter to you? So what if they nearly aborted you? They quite clearly did not.

Because that's pretty much what this past 4 pages of posts has been about.

[Sanctissima]

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

They did actually discuss it.

I just shrugged my shoulders and went "oh well. It'd have been your choice anyways." And went on my merry way to keep being their son.

Well, that's interesting.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Personally, that would make me feel awkward. I'd imagine that most people would also feel that way.

[Genivaria]

Seriously, why does this matter to you? So what if they nearly aborted you? They quite clearly did not.

Because that's pretty much what this past 4 pages of posts has been about.

Well that's what you've been trying to make it about and derailing any constructive discussion.

[The Five Galaxies]

Seriously, why does this matter to you? So what if they nearly aborted you? They quite clearly did not.

Because that's pretty much what this past 4 pages of posts has been about.

Yes, but I don't understand why it's so important. They could have aborted you... but they did not. That's choice at work; that's what being pro-choice is about.

[Genivaria]

They did actually discuss it.

I just shrugged my shoulders and went "oh well. It'd have been your choice anyways." And went on my merry way to keep being their son.

Well, that's interesting.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Personally, that would make me feel awkward. I'd imagine that most people would also feel that way.

What you imagine is irrelevant.

[Ifreann]

Ignoring the fact that that might very well be true, why would they tell him that?

Half the people here have so far stated that their parents are pro-choice. That implies they've talked with them about abortion.

Being someone's child, would that not feel awkward?

It might, but why would that matter? If you think it would be awkward to talk to you children about your opinion on abortion, then wouldn't you just not talk to them about abortion? Why would you change your opinion?

And let's not forget, what you claimed initially is that pro-choice people don't want children.

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No. It makes perfect sense.

So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

No, since the very fact that I exist shows that they decided not to abort that pregnancy. Whereas if your parents are pro-life then it might be that they never wanted you but felt that they had no choice once your mother became pregnant.

[HFWI-Eeyore]

Only in the case of rape or where the baby's or mother's life is in danger. (I admit, that might not be grammatically correct. Sue me.) They may not be a human now, but they would have been in 40 weeks. Why not give them a chance to prove themselves to the world? Can't afford it? Someone else can, and they may be willing to let you visit whenever you want. Don't feel like it? See can't afford it. Don't want the hormones associated with pregnancy? The baby will be worth every second. Didn't want a child in the first place? Should have made him used a condom, should have taken birth control, or maybe even should have kept him out of the bedroom (reminder, I think rape is okay). Artificially inseminated when you should have been getting surgery? (Thank you, CW, for that suggestion.) Admittedly, that's a gray area, but the baby will be worth it. Last and first suggestion combined? Sue them.

I am NOT checking back in on this one, just so everyone is clear that I am not going to respond to your argument's. I get telegrams. I respond to almost all of them. You can debate me there.

[Sanctissima]

Half the people here have so far stated that their parents are pro-choice. That implies they've talked with them about abortion.

Being someone's child, would that not feel awkward?

It might, but why would that matter? If you think it would be awkward to talk to you children about your opinion on abortion, then wouldn't you just not talk to them about abortion? Why would you change your opinion?

And let's not forget, what you claimed initially is that pro-choice people don't want children.

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So you don't feel even a tad bit awkward at the idea that your parents may or may not have discussed aborting you? Them being pro-choice implies that they were at least open to the idea.

No, since the very fact that I exist shows that they decided not to abort that pregnancy. Whereas if your parents are pro-life then it might be that they never wanted you but felt that they had no choice once your mother became pregnant.

Eventually, most kids end up talking to their parents about abortion. I dunno, it just seems to be the thing most adolescents end up doing. At least once in their life, they'll discuss sex, abortion, politics and other things with their parents.

Maybe I was wrong in assuming that most pro-choice people inherently don't want or have kids of their own. It just seems like a logical scenario.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They did actually discuss it.

I just shrugged my shoulders and went "oh well. It'd have been your choice anyways." And went on my merry way to keep being their son.

Well, that's interesting.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Personally, that would make me feel awkward. I'd imagine that most people would also feel that way.

Parents are people just like the rest of us.

Once you get that its much easier to accept it

[Genivaria]

Only in the case of rape or where the baby's or mother's life is in danger. (I admit, that might not be grammatically correct. Sue me.) They may not be a human now, but they would have been in 40 weeks. Why not give them a chance to prove themselves to the world? Can't afford it? Someone else can, and they may be willing to let you visit whenever you want. Don't feel like it? See can't afford it. Don't want the hormones associated with pregnancy? The baby will be worth every second. Didn't want a child in the first place? Should have made him used a condom, should have taken birth control, or maybe even should have kept him out of the bedroom (reminder, I think rape is okay). Artificially inseminated when you should have been getting surgery? (Thank you, CW, for that suggestion.) Admittedly, that's a gray area, but the baby will be worth it. Last and first suggestion combined? Sue them.

I am NOT checking back in on this one, just so everyone is clear that I am not going to respond to your argument's. I get telegrams. I respond to almost all of them. You can debate me there.

If you're too lazy too even check back then you're not worth the effort.

[Settrah]

Maybe it's because I'm an immoral sociopathic heathen, but I'll never share people's inane desire to birth as many humans as possible, just for the sake of doing it.

The world is overpopulated as it is, not to mention the diseases people suffer that makes their 'precious life' agonisingly miserable, but apparently they need to live it because 'precious human life'. I often wonder "who really gives a shit if a couple thousand foetuses per year don't leave the womb? Really? so what?"

Aborting them before birth means you can sort the problem out early, before their consciousness starts.

I wouldn't say I'm pro choice exactly, because I think that's too light to describe what I feel. At times I kind of think China has the right idea with mandatory abortions.

[The Five Galaxies]

Maybe it's because I'm an immoral sociopathic heathen, but I'll never share people's inane desire to birth as many humans as possible, just for the sake of doing it.

The world is overpopulated as it is, not to mention the diseases people suffer that makes their 'precious life' agonisingly miserable, but apparently they need to live it because 'precious human life'. I often wonder "who really gives a shit if a couple thousand foetuses per year don't leave the womb? Really? so what?"

Aborting them before birth means you can sort the problem out early, before their consciousness starts.

I wouldn't say I'm pro choice exactly, because I think that's too light to describe what I feel. At times I kind of think China has the right idea with mandatory abortions.

That's the exact opposite of pro-choice.

[Ifreann]

They did actually discuss it.

I just shrugged my shoulders and went "oh well. It'd have been your choice anyways." And went on my merry way to keep being their son.

Well, that's interesting.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Personally, that would make me feel awkward. I'd imagine that most people would also feel that way.

And why do you think that means that pro-choice people would rather not have children than have children and not bring up awkward topics of conversation?

[Sanctissima]

Well, that's interesting.

Perhaps I was wrong.

Personally, that would make me feel awkward. I'd imagine that most people would also feel that way.

And why do you think that means that pro-choice people would rather not have children than have children and not bring up awkward topics of conversation?

Because it would mean that after having kids, a considerable amount of pro-choicers would jump ship.

Probably.

Now that you mention it, I don't know.

[Ifreann]

It might, but why would that matter? If you think it would be awkward to talk to you children about your opinion on abortion, then wouldn't you just not talk to them about abortion? Why would you change your opinion?

And let's not forget, what you claimed initially is that pro-choice people don't want children.

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No, since the very fact that I exist shows that they decided not to abort that pregnancy. Whereas if your parents are pro-life then it might be that they never wanted you but felt that they had no choice once your mother became pregnant.

Eventually, most kids end up talking to their parents about abortion. I dunno, it just seems to be the thing most adolescents end up doing. At least once in their life, they'll discuss sex, abortion, politics and other things with their parents.

Why do you think this?

Maybe I was wrong in assuming that most pro-choice people inherently don't want or have kids of their own. It just seems like a logical scenario.

As you've demonstrated, your logic was nothing but assumptions layered on guesses with a nice unsubstantiated frosting.

[Settrah]

Maybe it's because I'm an immoral sociopathic heathen, but I'll never share people's inane desire to birth as many humans as possible, just for the sake of doing it.

The world is overpopulated as it is, not to mention the diseases people suffer that makes their 'precious life' agonisingly miserable, but apparently they need to live it because 'precious human life'. I often wonder "who really gives a shit if a couple thousand foetuses per year don't leave the womb? Really? so what?"

Aborting them before birth means you can sort the problem out early, before their consciousness starts.

I wouldn't say I'm pro choice exactly, because I think that's too light to describe what I feel. At times I kind of think China has the right idea with mandatory abortions.

That's the exact opposite of pro-choice.

In fairness, it's just a personal thought. On an active level, I would probably never actually endorse or support that as a practice, as I'm anti statist. So basically in terms of real life, I end up being pro choice because I don't give a shit and have seldom emotional sympathy for a foetus, which makes me oppose pro life.

[Sanctissima]

Eventually, most kids end up talking to their parents about abortion. I dunno, it just seems to be the thing most adolescents end up doing. At least once in their life, they'll discuss sex, abortion, politics and other things with their parents.

Why do you think this?

Maybe I was wrong in assuming that most pro-choice people inherently don't want or have kids of their own. It just seems like a logical scenario.

As you've demonstrated, your logic was nothing but assumptions layered on guesses with a nice unsubstantiated frosting.

In my defense, NSG isn't exactly the kind of place where you can find the most universal of statistics.

[Hirota]

Perhaps, but if I am, there's probably a lot of awkward dinner table conversations going on.
"By the way Jimmy, your mother and I considered aborting you"

Replace "considered" with "tried" and it's far more awkward.

[Lost heros]

You have an actual source or are you just making shit up.

Logically, most women who support absolute rights to abortion don't personally plan on having kids.

That's not to say they won't eventually have kids anyway, but more often than not, someone who is unconditionally pro-choice does not (or isn't planning to) have children of their own.

From what book of shit did you read that line?

[Genivaria]

Why do you think this?


As you've demonstrated, your logic was nothing but assumptions layered on guesses with a nice unsubstantiated frosting.

In my defense, NSG isn't exactly the kind of place where you can find the most universal of statistics.

You have the internet at your fingertips quit making excuses.

[Aelex]

Eventually, most kids end up talking to their parents about abortion. I dunno, it just seems to be the thing most adolescents end up doing. At least once in their life, they'll discuss sex, abortion, politics and other things with their parents.

Maybe I was wrong in assuming that most pro-choice people inherently don't want or have kids of their own. It just seems like a logical scenario.

From an adolescent point of view, I can tell you that, NO.
Politics, everyone talk about it. But sex or abortion, no... PARENTS may want to talk about it, but for my generation, internet is a way better solution in most case so we don't have to ask certains kinds of things.