Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Godular]

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Generally at the point you have stipulated abortions are only done due to medical emergencies.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Do you have a source for those numbers?

Because I do, and those numbers are pretty much bullshit.

In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%

0.08% < 0.1%

in a 1987 survey by the Alan Guttmacher Institute in which abortion patients were asked why they were having an abortion, only 1 percent of the 1,900 women questioned named rape or incest

1% > 0.1%

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The world is overpopulated! Beware!

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

We usually kill those animals. If you're anywhere where your argument is, it's not here.

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Source?

[Neutraligon]

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

We usually kill those animals. If you're anywhere where your argument is, it's not here.

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Source?

In 2011, most (64.5%) abortions were performed by ≤8 weeks' gestation, and nearly all (91.4%) were performed by ≤13 weeks' gestation. Few abortions (7.3%) were performed between 14–20 weeks' gestation or at ≥21 weeks' gestation (1.4%). From 2002 to 2011, the percentage of all abortions performed at ≤8 weeks' gestation increased 6%.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm ... ss6311a1_w

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

This finds that about 1% of abortions are due to rape.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

We usually kill those animals. If you're anywhere where your argument is, it's not here.
Source?

In 2011, most (64.5%) abortions were performed by ≤8 weeks' gestation, and nearly all (91.4%) were performed by ≤13 weeks' gestation. Few abortions (7.3%) were performed between 14–20 weeks' gestation or at ≥21 weeks' gestation (1.4%). From 2002 to 2011, the percentage of all abortions performed at ≤8 weeks' gestation increased 6%.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm ... ss6311a1_w

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

This finds that about 1% of abortions are due to rape.

okay then...

thank's for providing his sources, which proved him wrong

[Globus]

Just pointing this out. The poll question is rather unfair: "Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?"

I feel like if I answer yes, I'm saying I'm for civil rights.
I feel like if I answer no, I'm saying I'm against civil rights.

Nonetheless, I do support the right to have an abortion.

[Salandriagado]

The world is overpopulated! Beware!

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

Because they don't pollute to nearly the same degree.

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Yes, absolutely. This happens every time a baby is born by c-section. Note that "aborted" does not mean killing the baby necessarily, just removing it from the woman's body.

Just pointing this out. The poll question is rather unfair: "Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?"

I feel like if I answer yes, I'm saying I'm for civil rights.
I feel like if I answer no, I'm saying I'm against civil rights.

Nonetheless, I do support the right to have an abortion.

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

[Globus]

Just pointing this out. The poll question is rather unfair: "Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?"

I feel like if I answer yes, I'm saying I'm for civil rights.
I feel like if I answer no, I'm saying I'm against civil rights.

Nonetheless, I do support the right to have an abortion.

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

Some people against abortion are against it because they consider it murder.

If people against abortion are against civil rights and against murder, does that make me for civil rights and for murder?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

Some people against abortion are against it because they consider it murder.

If people against abortion are against civil rights and against murder, does that make me for civil rights and for murder?

To them, yes, at least, most of the time.

[Salandriagado]

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

Some people against abortion are against it because they consider it murder.

If people against abortion are against civil rights and against murder, does that make me for civil rights and for murder?

No. They are factually incorrect if they consider it murder. The fact is, though, that they are restricting people's rights to decide what to do with their own bodies. That's a restriction of civil rights, plain and simple.

[Mushet]

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

Because they don't pollute to nearly the same degree.

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Yes, absolutely. This happens every time a baby is born by c-section. Note that "aborted" does not mean killing the baby necessarily, just removing it from the woman's body.

Just pointing this out. The poll question is rather unfair: "Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?"

I feel like if I answer yes, I'm saying I'm for civil rights.
I feel like if I answer no, I'm saying I'm against civil rights.

Nonetheless, I do support the right to have an abortion.

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

The wording still kinda frames it in a politically charged way, much like referring to this as a Right to Life debate.

[Mefpan]

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

Those are still low numbers and people who choose to have an abortion that late into a pregnancy tend to have a really fucking solid reason for doing so - as tends to be the case with most late-term pregnancies that are aborted.

What? Does anyone here honestly believe women will go through nearly a full pregnancy just to kill an almost-baby and chuck it onto an imaginary pile of dead fetuses erected as an effigy to their dark and fell progressive gods?

Please don't answer that. Knowing these forums, someone will genuinely believe that to be the case.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Does anyone here honestly believe women will go through nearly a full pregnancy just to kill an almost-baby and chuck it onto an imaginary pile of dead fetuses erected as an effigy to their dark and fell progressive gods?

Yes, I honestly believe that.NOT

[Mefpan]

Does anyone here honestly believe women will go through nearly a full pregnancy just to kill an almost-baby and chuck it onto an imaginary pile of dead fetuses erected as an effigy to their dark and fell progressive gods?

Yes, I honestly believe that.NOT

You just did that to spite me, didn't you.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Yes, I honestly believe that.NOT

You just did that to spite me, didn't you.

Yes.

[Ashmoria]

Concerning abortion, people like to say "what about in cases of rape!" (less than 0.1% of all abortions btw)

I think the other extreme should be asked of pro-choicer's.

Should a 7-9 pound third-trimester baby be allowed to be aborted (more than 0.1% of all abortions)?

when you know why those abortions are done you will know why they must be allowed.

[Ashmoria]

Well, yes. People that don't support an individual's right to have an abortion are against civil rights.

Some people against abortion are against it because they consider it murder.

If people against abortion are against civil rights and against murder, does that make me for civil rights and for murder?

what matters is what YOU think after you have thought it through.

there are few easy answers in life. this is one of them. I am guided by knowing that no one counts the unborn as people. that is why your age starts when you are born not when you were conceived. that's why women who have had miscarriages don't count those losses when people ask them how many children they have. that's why we don't have funerals for spontaneous abortions. that's why we don't count the upwards of 50% of all fertilized eggs that don't implant as tragedies.

and that's why abortion isn't (wasn't when it was illegal in this country) punished the same way as the murder of a child.

civil rights is for people and the only person involved in abortion is the woman getting one.

[Ifreann]

Some people against abortion are against it because they consider it murder.

If people against abortion are against civil rights and against murder, does that make me for civil rights and for murder?

what matters is what YOU think after you have thought it through.

there are few easy answers in life. this is one of them. I am guided by knowing that no one counts the unborn as people. that is why your age starts when you are born not when you were conceived. that's why women who have had miscarriages don't count those losses when people ask them how many children they have. that's why we don't have funerals for spontaneous abortions. that's why we don't count the upwards of 50% of all fertilized eggs that don't implant as tragedies.

and that's why abortion isn't (wasn't when it was illegal in this country) punished the same way as the murder of a child.

civil rights is for people and the only person involved in abortion is the woman getting one.

Once we invent abortion vending machines there won't even be a doctor involved.

[Ashmoria]

what matters is what YOU think after you have thought it through.

there are few easy answers in life. this is one of them. I am guided by knowing that no one counts the unborn as people. that is why your age starts when you are born not when you were conceived. that's why women who have had miscarriages don't count those losses when people ask them how many children they have. that's why we don't have funerals for spontaneous abortions. that's why we don't count the upwards of 50% of all fertilized eggs that don't implant as tragedies.

and that's why abortion isn't (wasn't when it was illegal in this country) punished the same way as the murder of a child.

civil rights is for people and the only person involved in abortion is the woman getting one.

Once we invent abortion vending machines there won't even be a doctor involved.

the original roe v wade supreme court decision was decided on the freedom of the DOCTOR to perform abortions not on the right of a woman to get one.

[Ifreann]

Once we invent abortion vending machines there won't even be a doctor involved.

the original roe v wade supreme court decision was decided on the freedom of the DOCTOR to perform abortions not on the right of a woman to get one.

Vending machines have rights, too.

[Arach-Naga Combine]

Once we invent abortion vending machines there won't even be a doctor involved.

the original roe v wade supreme court decision was decided on the freedom of the DOCTOR to perform abortions not on the right of a woman to get one.

No it wasn't.

"right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."

[Ashmoria]

the original roe v wade supreme court decision was decided on the freedom of the DOCTOR to perform abortions not on the right of a woman to get one.

No it wasn't.

"right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."

well what I meant by that is this

(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. Pp. 163, 164.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113

I cant go into it more right now im getting ready to go fishing.

[Sun Wukong]

The world is overpopulated! Beware!

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

This is not true. The ant's weight is considerably greater.

[Desperate Measures]

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

This is not true. The ant's weight is considerably greater.

I step on an ant every time I see one. Don't know why the rest of you aren't doing your part.

[-Ebola-]

The world is overpopulated! Beware!

For every human being on this earth, there are over 1 million ants, and if we weighed all the ants on the earth with all of humanity, they would way the same.

How come no one is freaking out about the overpopulation of ants/chickens/numerous other creatures that outnumber people?

The population of a species has little correlation to its impact on the environment. Pretty much any viral species you have ever heard of, even the ones you don't think of as being common, outnumbers human beings by a wide margin; but it still took thousands of years for human beings to even realize that we existed. People do freak out about "invasive species" and species that they have deemed "vermin" or "pathogens," but simply knowing how many ants or oak trees or amoebas there are on the planet does not tell you anything about how those species are affecting the ecosystem. If it was just a question of population, you would all be panicking about rhinoviruses, not animals or people or kudzu.