Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

OBJECTION!

Un Attimo! Si prega di ascoltare giudicare!
I tried.

Is there something wrong with me saying that?

No, however what was put down by you hinted at that.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

I understand that some sinners cannot be helped, and if they want an abortion, what am I going to do? I don't believe it should be normalized or trivialized like feminists seem to want.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

Except, it is evil. You are taking a baby, not even born yet, and killing it before it has a chance to live its life. You are squandering human life, making it meaningless as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty" while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children. It's disgusting.

The same is true every time a (biological) man masturbates, every time a (biological) woman goes through her period. Every time you choose not to have sex. So unless you want to ban masturbation and make it compulsory for everybody to have sex at least once a month throughout their entire childbearing lives (when not pregnant), you don't have a leg to stand on.

You are just full of bullshit today huh? I didn't know that sperm was a baby. If that is so, why do we need to combine it with an eg-ohhhhh, I get it now, and so should you....

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

The same is true every time a (biological) man masturbates, every time a (biological) woman goes through her period. Every time you choose not to have sex. So unless you want to ban masturbation and make it compulsory for everybody to have sex at least once a month throughout their entire childbearing lives (when not pregnant), you don't have a leg to stand on.

You are just full of bullshit today huh? I didn't know that sperm was a baby. If that is so, why do we need to combine it with an eg-ohhhhh, I get it now, and so should you....

A fetus isn't a baby either. It's a fetus. A potential baby. He's correct. Sperm and egg gametes are also both potential children.

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

I understand that some sinners cannot be helped, and if they want an abortion, what am I going to do? I don't believe it should be normalized or trivialized like feminists seem to want.

I don't think anyone wants it normalized. That's just disgusting. Just fund provided contraception and safe-sex courses.

[Malkorian Empire]

Abortion should be available for anyone at anytime. Theres a difference between ending the life of something that is self aware and one that is self conscious.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

You are just full of bullshit today huh? I didn't know that sperm was a baby. If that is so, why do we need to combine it with an eg-ohhhhh, I get it now, and so should you....

A fetus isn't a baby either. It's a fetus. A potential baby. He's correct. Sperm and egg gametes are also both potential children.

They are half of a potential child. A car cut down the middle is not the same as a car missing some doors and a little interior work.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

I understand that some sinners cannot be helped, and if they want an abortion, what am I going to do? I don't believe it should be normalized or trivialized like feminists seem to want.

I don't think anyone wants it normalized. That's just disgusting. Just fund provided contraception and safe-sex courses.

They're are clinics opening up in some parts that aim to do that. Normalize it.

[The Great Warrior Rivers]

I don't think anyone wants it normalized. That's just disgusting. Just fund provided contraception and safe-sex courses.

They're are clinics opening up in some parts that aim to do that. Normalize it.

Abortion clinics do not aim to normalize abortion, just make it an option for everyone.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

They are half of a potential child. A car cut down the middle is not the same as a car missing some doors and a little interior work.

They are effectively the same until the engine is fully installed.
(In this metaphor, that means the fetus having an active brain, which has not been shown earlier than 25 weeks.)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A fetus isn't a baby either. It's a fetus. A potential baby. He's correct. Sperm and egg gametes are also both potential children.

They are half of a potential child. A car cut down the middle is not the same as a car missing some doors and a little interior work.

A fetus is more like an assembly line. You do not call the parts at the assembly line a car nor do you call the assembly line a car. You call them an assembly line and by their respective parts.

[Krieg-Deathworld]

They're are clinics opening up in some parts that aim to do that. Normalize it.

Abortion clinics do not aim to normalize abortion, just make it an option for everyone.

No, I mean there are clinics that are actually created to normalize it. I read an article about it in the times.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

No, I mean there are clinics that are actually created to normalize it. I read an article about it in the times.

Perhaps you could find that source and post it so we could see exactly what you're talking about?

[Krieg-Deathworld]

They are half of a potential child. A car cut down the middle is not the same as a car missing some doors and a little interior work.

They are effectively the same until the engine is fully installed.
(In this metaphor, that means the fetus having an active brain, which has not been shown earlier than 25 weeks.)

Nah, it has the engine, it's just not running until 25 weeks. A car without an engine is useless, a car with a nonfunctional engine has potential.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They are effectively the same until the engine is fully installed.
(In this metaphor, that means the fetus having an active brain, which has not been shown earlier than 25 weeks.)

Nah, it has the engine, it's just not running until 25 weeks. A car without an engine is useless, a car with a nonfunctional engine has potential.

This analogy makes no sense.

Have you ever heard of an overhauled engine?

[Krieg-Deathworld]

No, I mean there are clinics that are actually created to normalize it. I read an article about it in the times.

Perhaps you could find that source and post it so we could see exactly what you're talking about?

Sorry, the Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

[Krieg-Deathworld]

Nah, it has the engine, it's just not running until 25 weeks. A car without an engine is useless, a car with a nonfunctional engine has potential.

This analogy makes no sense.

Have you ever heard of an overhauled engine?

That has little to do with it. A fetus has a brain pretty early. It may not be functional, but it is there. Sperm and egg cells do not have brains last time I checked.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

That has little to do with it. A fetus has a brain pretty early. It may not be functional, but it is there. Sperm and egg cells do not have brains last time I checked.

And the nonfunctional brain of a fetus means exactly as much as the nonfunctional brain of a dead person.

[Libronyscien]

Given time, a fetus could turn into a baby. No amount of time will turn sperm or eggs into a baby. I'm meaning human sperm, human eggs, human fetus, and human baby.

[Libronyscien]

They're are clinics opening up in some parts that aim to do that. Normalize it.

Abortion clinics do not aim to normalize abortion, just make it an option for everyone.

Everyone?

What about guys? You say you want equality but you don't! You are a liar!
Why should we listen to you and your lies, you liar!
I'm kidding, by the way. Please don't say I'm flaming.

[Galloism]

Given time, a fetus could turn into a baby. No amount of time will turn sperm or eggs into a baby. I'm meaning human sperm, human eggs, human fetus, and human baby.

Really?

So, if I've got this fetus in a jar here, how long until it becomes a baby? Is it one of those "watched pot never boils" things?

[Celsuis]

At the moment, I believe in banning abortion at the point of viability with exceptions for rape. (though I'm torn between completely banning abortion with exceptions for rape and completely legalizing abortion :/ For me, it's a property rights v rights to life problem)

[Othelos]

At the moment, I believe in banning abortion at the point of viability with exceptions for rape. (though I'm torn between completely banning abortion with exceptions for rape and completely legalizing abortion :/ For me, it's a property rights v rights to life problem)

property rights?

No, the issue is that people should be able to decide what they want to do with their own bodies. No one has the right to use your body against your will.

[Celsuis]

At the moment, I believe in banning abortion at the point of viability with exceptions for rape. (though I'm torn between completely banning abortion with exceptions for rape and completely legalizing abortion :/ For me, it's a property rights v rights to life problem)

property rights?

No, the issue is that people should be able to decide what they want to do with their own bodies. No one has the right to use your body against your will.

Your body is your property since you inherently own yourself, therefore it is a matter of property rights. And similarly to what you stated, no one has the right to use your property against your will.

[Mondoncon]

property rights?

No, the issue is that people should be able to decide what they want to do with their own bodies. No one has the right to use your body against your will.

Your body is your property since you inherently own yourself, therefore it is a matter of property rights. And similarly to what you stated, no one has the right to use your property against your will.

That doesn't really make it a property rights issue... I mean, it does if you're one of those people who reduces everything to property because philosophy is fucking weird and if you bend words anything means anything. What I'm trying to say is that it's a bodily rights issue, which is different enough from the colloquial understanding of property (material and immaterial things you own) to not be called a property rights issue. if for no other reason than being specific.