Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[AquariusPrecarious]

I love how the Pro-Life try to make as if Pro-Choice are the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD's one when they're trying to restrain human basics and recognized rights...

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

ARe you kidding me? Your restraining the right to a women's bodily autonomy. A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and not have some old men telling her that its evil.

[Luminesa]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Right to bodily sovereignty.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...okay.

My brain is coming down from a caffeine high, so I'm still pulling my brain together. Pardon me if I sound kinda...scatterbrained.

So since every person is different, what exactly made you want to be pro-choice? If you don't mind me asking that question.

[Godular]

Right to bodily sovereignty.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...okay.

My brain is coming down from a caffeine high, so I'm still pulling my brain together. Pardon me if I sound kinda...scatterbrained.

So since every person is different, what exactly made you want to be pro-choice? If you don't mind me asking that question.

Logic.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

do you have any proof they don't think? if you don't than don't give us a statement you call fact, a fact needs proof to be a fact. for example a detective says this man killed someone, and someone asks how do you know? does the detective say
A: he looks like a murderer
B: we have his fingerprints on the murder weapon, and then shows them the fingerprints.

which is more factual to you?

1: everything with thoughts we've found has brainwaves
2: until week 25 at the earliest, no fetus has brainwaves.

[Othelos]

Right to bodily sovereignty.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...okay.

My brain is coming down from a caffeine high, so I'm still pulling my brain together. Pardon me if I sound kinda...scatterbrained.

So since every person is different, what exactly made you want to be pro-choice? If you don't mind me asking that question.

The understanding that people have the right to determine what happens to their body.

[Aelex]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Hi Lumi!

I'm not saying that you personnaly are restraining humans rights the same way I'm not saying that Pro-Death Sentency are personnaly killing people; but I'm saying that Pro-Life are trying to make the laws restrain human rights such as body sovereignty.

Still, to answer your question; I don't think that abortion is a "banal" thing and I hope most people'll never ever have to be in a position where they need to choose between aborting and keeping a baby someday.
But well; I think that they must have this choice rather than being forced.
Also, I'm Laïciste, so I think that religion shouldn't conflict with politics (or laws in that case) and that's why; even if I'm a catholic; I think abortion should remain a possibility.

[Esternial]

I love how the Pro-Life try to make as if Pro-Choice are the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD's one when they're trying to restrain human basics and recognized rights...

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Religion isn't a fixed set of beliefs, though. Not blindly following every doctrine doesn't make you a non-believer.

[Mefpan]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Religion isn't a fixed set of beliefs, though. Not blindly following every doctrine doesn't make you a non-believer.

Yeah, if you believe only some of the things written in any given holy scripture while disregarding others the more accurate term would be "heretic".

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I love how the Pro-Life try to make as if Pro-Choice are the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD's one when they're trying to restrain human basics and recognized rights...

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Catholicism also forbids condoms. And my mom wears a crucifix and if Catholics do what the church says I'd love to know where all my siblings are.

[Esternial]

Religion isn't a fixed set of beliefs, though. Not blindly following every doctrine doesn't make you a non-believer.

Yeah, if you believe only some of the things written in any given holy scripture while disregarding others the more accurate term would be "heretic".

:p

Meh don't really care either way. The only people that call your heretics and mean it these days are self-righteous dicks that are probably heretical themselves by their own standards.

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, if you believe only some of the things written in any given holy scripture while disregarding others the more accurate term would be "heretic".

Meh don't really care either way. The only people that call your heretics and mean it these days are self-righteous dicks that are probably heretical themselves by their own standards.

Apostasy is the trend today.

Heresy stopped being offensive in the Middle Ages.

[Naushantiya]

WHERE IS THE PRO POPULATION CONTROL OPTION

DAMM YOU POLL MAKER !!

[Ashmoria]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Hi Lumi!

I'm not saying that you personnaly are restraining humans rights the same way I'm not saying that Pro-Death Sentency are personnaly killing people; but I'm saying that Pro-Life are trying to make the laws restrain human rights such as body sovereignty.

Still, to answer your question; I don't think that abortion is a "banal" thing and I hope most people'll never ever have to be in a position where they need to choose between aborting and keeping a baby someday.
But well; I think that they must have this choice rather than being forced.
Also, I'm Laïciste, so I think that religion shouldn't conflict with politics (or laws in that case) and that's why; even if I'm a catholic; I think abortion should remain a possibility.

we don't have the word Laïciste in english. im thinking we would say "i am a secularist" (even though we don't really say "secularlist" either) or "i believe in the separation of church and state". maybe they have a different term in the UK? I don't know.

[Jamzmania]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

ARe you kidding me? Your restraining the right to a women's bodily autonomy. A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and not have some old men telling her that its evil.

Except, it is evil. You are taking a baby, not even born yet, and killing it before it has a chance to live its life. You are squandering human life, making it meaningless as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty" while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children. It's disgusting.

[FutureAmerica]

If the world was pro-life, the world population would explode. There will be 2 billion hungry people in the world looking to kill to eat. They will abort you.

[Risottia]

What is your stance on abortion?

Pro-choice.

Do you agree or disagree with a pregnant woman's (and in very rare, unique cases, a pregnant man's) right to have an abortion should they chose to do so?

Yes.

Do you think that it should be strictly denied, or fully permitted, or perhaps even permitted but only in special circumstances?

Always permitted at least up to six months into the pregnancy - which is when the foetus has some chances of surviving outside the uterus.

I believe that otherwise, it's the person's responsibility to their unborn child

Unborn humans aren't people and have no rights; people don't have responsibility towards lumps of cells.

If unborn humans were considered people, their prolonged stay within a woman's reproductive organs against her continued consent would be considered rape, and rape can be fought off even with lethal force.

[Salandriagado]

ARe you kidding me? Your restraining the right to a women's bodily autonomy. A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and not have some old men telling her that its evil.

Except, it is evil. You are taking a baby, not even born yet, and killing it before it has a chance to live its life. You are squandering human life, making it meaningless as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty" while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children. It's disgusting.

The same is true every time a (biological) man masturbates, every time a (biological) woman goes through her period. Every time you choose not to have sex. So unless you want to ban masturbation and make it compulsory for everybody to have sex at least once a month throughout their entire childbearing lives (when not pregnant), you don't have a leg to stand on.

[The Five Galaxies]

ARe you kidding me? Your restraining the right to a women's bodily autonomy. A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and not have some old men telling her that its evil.

Except, it is evil. You are taking a baby, not even born yet, and killing it before it has a chance to live its life. You are squandering human life, making it meaningless as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty" while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children. It's disgusting.

In what way is any of that evil?

[Godular]

ARe you kidding me? Your restraining the right to a women's bodily autonomy. A women should be able to decide what she wants to do with her body and not have some old men telling her that its evil.

Except, it is evil. You are taking a baby, not even born yet, and killing it before it has a chance to live its life. You are squandering human life, making it meaningless as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty" while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children. It's disgusting.

Wrong, about everything.

[Wallenburg]

Except, it is evil.

But destroying countless teens' lives because of a stupid decision isn't? And isn't "evil" kind of subjective?

You are taking a baby, not even born yet

So you admit that it is not alive? Good job!

and killing it before it has a chance to live its life.

Oh. You changed your mind. And then changed it again. How can something be killed when it is not yet alive?

You are squandering human life, making it meaningless

And you changed your mind again. You can't have it both ways.

as long as you can chant some mantra like "bodily sovereignty"

So you don't believe people have rights to their bodies?

while ruthlessly slaughtering millions of children.

Great pathos. I'd like a source for that statistic, though.

It's disgusting.

I'm sorry we upset your stomach.

[Wallenburg]

I keep this beauty for those who assert that "all life is sacred":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_tr_k59O6s

[Luminesa]

Hi, Aelex!

So, I saw your post earlier, but I was either too busy (or too tired) to respond. So now I wanna ask (if that's okay with you):

As a pro-life person, what rights and human basics am I restraining?
And considering you're Catholic...I know I might have said this earlier, and I'm not trying to be mean or nothing, but the Catechism specifically says the Church condemns abortion. Soooo...yeah.

Religion isn't a fixed set of beliefs, though. Not blindly following every doctrine doesn't make you a non-believer.

Who said I'm blind? I'm learning about my faith and I try to listen to others. I've thought on this quite often, and I figured that I'd rather be pro-life.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Who said I'm blind?

No one did. To follow a doctrine blindly, or in this case, without proper guidance or knowledge on the situation, in this case, the doctrine; or even following the doctrine without even having any differing opinions or anything at all, and just taking it literally; that is blindly following a doctrine, and in this specific case, a church doctrine, which is what you seem to be doing, or at least telling Aelex to do, which isn't upbeating or upcomingly proper of you.

[Luminesa]

Who said I'm blind?

No one did. To follow a doctrine blindly, or in this case, without proper guidance or knowledge on the situation, in this case, the doctrine; or even following the doctrine without even having any differing opinions or anything at all, and just taking it literally; that is blindly following a doctrine, and in this specific case, a church doctrine, which is what you seem to be doing, or at least telling Aelex to do, which isn't upbeating or upcomingly proper of you.

Well, no, I'm just saying what the Church believes. Is there something wrong with me saying that?

Also, because we're making Phoenix Wright references:

OBJECTION!

[The Federal Republic of Deutschland (Ancient)]

Personally I think abortion should only be done in some cases. But it is not my place to decide what others can and can't do with their bodies so I think it should be left up to each person to decide.