Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Galloism]

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

If abortion is agreed upon to be murder, then it would follow that masturbation (at least for men) is genocide. I mean, think of all of those potential human beings...

Millions, every time.

EVERY SPERM IS SACRED! EVERY SPERM IS GREAT!

[Sanctissima]

The home invader she invited in.

It's like letting some homeless guy stay with you, then brutally stabbing him to death when you realize he ate your last can of ice cream.

No, it's more like the door lock in your home failed, and a homeless guy wandered in and threatened you and refused to leave.

If we're going the home invader route.

More like a homeless guy on life support. Who's come straight from the nearest hospital, is stark naked, has an IV strapped to himself and has passed out on your couch, with drool coming out of his mouth. Not exactly threatening.

[Galloism]

No, it's more like the door lock in your home failed, and a homeless guy wandered in and threatened you and refused to leave.

If we're going the home invader route.

More like a homeless guy on life support. Who's come straight from the nearest hospital, is stark naked, has an IV strapped to himself and has passed out on your couch, with drool coming out of his mouth. Not exactly threatening.

At which point, you would call the police and they would come to remove him from the house straightaway.

[Aelex]

No, I'm not. Because even if the benefits are lower, they're still sufficient.

And do you realize what happens to fetuses after they've been aborted? Some get cremated, but the bodies of others have a less than pleasant fate.

And? Do you know what happen to body in graveyard?

[Sanctissima]

No, I'm not. Because even if the benefits are lower, they're still sufficient.

And do you realize what happens to fetuses after they've been aborted? Some get cremated, but the bodies of others have a less than pleasant fate.

So what you're telling me is that while sex has definitive positive health benefits, while driving does not, driving is still more necessary than sex. How odd.


Do bodies feel things after they're dead now?

When did this happen?

How often do you drive?

How often do you have sex?

Basic math, divide the difference.

[Galloism]

So what you're telling me is that while sex has definitive positive health benefits, while driving does not, driving is still more necessary than sex. How odd.


Do bodies feel things after they're dead now?

When did this happen?

How often do you drive?

How often do you have sex?

Basic math, divide the difference.

Now or when I was a college student in Florida?

Because those are very different answers.

[Sanctissima]

No, I'm not. Because even if the benefits are lower, they're still sufficient.

And do you realize what happens to fetuses after they've been aborted? Some get cremated, but the bodies of others have a less than pleasant fate.

And? Do you know what happen to body in graveyard?

It gets lowered into the ground, respectfully, and sometimes even gets a prayer or two.

The fetus just gets tossed away like trash.

[Sanctissima]

How often do you drive?

How often do you have sex?

Basic math, divide the difference.

Now or when I was a college student in Florida?

Because those are very different answers.

Now.

For most people, the former is done more often than the latter.

[Sun Wukong]

So what you're telling me is that while sex has definitive positive health benefits, while driving does not, driving is still more necessary than sex. How odd.


Do bodies feel things after they're dead now?

When did this happen?

How often do you drive?

How often do you have sex?

Basic math, divide the difference.

I know you're trying to be profound, or something, but that ratio could easily go either way.

[Sanctissima]

How often do you drive?

How often do you have sex?

Basic math, divide the difference.

I know you're trying to be profound, or something, but that ratio could easily go either way.

I'm making the presumption that most people aren't having sex more than twice per day.

[Galloism]

Now or when I was a college student in Florida?

Because those are very different answers.

Now.

For most people, the former is done more often than the latter.

Well, now that's true - I drive about 12 times per week, and have sex about 6 times per week.

When I was in college, it was different. I drove about 2-4 times per week, and had sex about 12-14 times a week.

EDIT: I also happen to know a woman in new york city who hasn't driven in 2 years.

[Pragia]

Let me know when responsibility involves killing human life.

I'd also want to hear your views on involuntary euthanasia, as that's fairly similar.

Abortion is ensuring that an unwanted pregnancy does not proceed to term. If contraception fails, the woman should not be punished by being forced to carry the pregnancy to term.

Contraception is not a garuntee, it's a safety measure. To claim that it is okay to kill the human being created because it is an undesirable result is shallow and cruel to a life that was brought into being by the father and mother's consensual sex.

[Sun Wukong]

I know you're trying to be profound, or something, but that ratio could easily go either way.

I'm making the presumption that most people aren't having sex more than twice per day.

And that most people are driving once or twice per day. And really, no consideration for the time allotment of either.

This is a horrible analogy.

[Sanctissima]

Now.

For most people, the former is done more often than the latter.

Well, now that's true - I drive about 12 times per week, and have sex about 6 times per week.

When I was in college, it was different. I drove about 2-4 times per week, and had sex about 12-14 times a week.

EDIT: I also happen to know a woman in new york city who hasn't driven in 2 years.

Well, your sex life is certainly... active.

But hey, I'm not judging.

Nonetheless, as you can see, driving is more important than sex. Most people need to drive, but nobody needs to have sex.

[Aelex]

It gets lowered into the ground, respectfully, and sometimes even gets a prayer or two.

The fetus just gets tossed away like trash.

I don't want to break your hopes, but no.
Your body'll remain for 50 or 60 years (maximum) in it's tomb; then you'll be dumped away in an ossuary or if you're less lucky your bones'll be crushed and dispersed.

[Sanctissima]

I'm making the presumption that most people aren't having sex more than twice per day.

And that most people are driving once or twice per day. And really, no consideration for the time allotment of either.

This is a horrible analogy.

Not as bad as the "but a person who gets injured in a car crash didn't consent to being injured" one.

[Sun Wukong]

Well, now that's true - I drive about 12 times per week, and have sex about 6 times per week.

When I was in college, it was different. I drove about 2-4 times per week, and had sex about 12-14 times a week.

EDIT: I also happen to know a woman in new york city who hasn't driven in 2 years.

Well, your sex life is certainly... active.

But hey, I'm not judging.

Nonetheless, as you can see, driving is more important than sex. Most people need to drive, but nobody needs to have sex.

Very few people actually need to drive. Sex is a primary impulse, and vital to the continuation of the species.

[Sanctissima]

It gets lowered into the ground, respectfully, and sometimes even gets a prayer or two.

The fetus just gets tossed away like trash.

I don't want to break your hopes, but no.
Your body'll remain for 50 or 60 years (maximum) in it's tomb; then you'll be dumped away in an ossuary or if you're less lucky your bones'll be crushed and dispersed.

The point is the send-off.

At least the deceased person gets one.

[Aelex]

Well, now that's true - I drive about 12 times per week, and have sex about 6 times per week.

When I was in college, it was different. I drove about 2-4 times per week, and had sex about 12-14 times a week.

EDIT: I also happen to know a woman in new york city who hasn't driven in 2 years.

Well, your sex life is certainly... active.

But hey, I'm not judging.

Nonetheless, as you can see, driving is more important than sex. Most people need to drive, but nobody needs to have sex.

And for people who don't drive nor have sex?
Plus, no; 12-14 time a week in university seem rather reasonnable...

[Sun Wukong]

And that most people are driving once or twice per day. And really, no consideration for the time allotment of either.

This is a horrible analogy.

Not as bad as the "but a person who gets injured in a car crash didn't consent to being injured" one.

Yes. There are worse analogies. I could say that your wit is as sharp as an unopened gallon jug of milk, for instance.

But you're dragging this from the realm of "off topic" to the realm of "what the hell?"

[Sanctissima]

Well, your sex life is certainly... active.

But hey, I'm not judging.

Nonetheless, as you can see, driving is more important than sex. Most people need to drive, but nobody needs to have sex.

Very few people actually need to drive. Sex is a primary impulse, and vital to the continuation of the species.

Then why allow abortion?

Surely we need to keep humanity's population growing. Thus, we cannot allow for these wasted opportunities. <----- The logic of your post.

[Godular]

Let us rephrase the situation. Imagine the woman is the house, and the fetus is a home invader. Here in Texas, we shoot home invaders.

Plot untwist.

The home invader she invited in.

It's like letting some homeless guy stay with you, then brutally stabbing him to death when you realize he ate your last can of ice cream.

Whether it was invited in or not is irrelevant. If she wants it gone, she has the right to get it out.

In the same way that one can invite another into their home, they can also ask the person to leave, and if they refuse to do so, they are trespassing... and target practice.

[Sanctissima]

Well, your sex life is certainly... active.

But hey, I'm not judging.

Nonetheless, as you can see, driving is more important than sex. Most people need to drive, but nobody needs to have sex.

And for people who don't drive nor have sex?
Plus, no; 12-14 time a week in university seem rather reasonnable...

If you're a sex monkey, yes.

[Sanctissima]

The home invader she invited in.

It's like letting some homeless guy stay with you, then brutally stabbing him to death when you realize he ate your last can of ice cream.

Whether it was invited in or not is irrelevant. If she wants it gone, she has the right to get it out.

In the same way that one can invite another into their home, they can also ask the person to leave, and if they refuse to do so, they are trespassing... and target practice.

You must not have many friends.

Or at least, not many living ones.

[Sun Wukong]

Very few people actually need to drive. Sex is a primary impulse, and vital to the continuation of the species.

Then why allow abortion?

Surely we need to keep humanity's population growing. Thus, we cannot allow for these wasted opportunities. <----- The logic of your post.

Because not ever sex act has to produce a child. In fact, given human sexual behavior, it would be a very bad thing if they did.

Don't mistake your lack of nuance for illogic on my part.