Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Galloism]

Actually, it works pretty well: Driving is a common activity that carries with it certain risks - much like sex.

In driving, we have certain things we use to mitigate that risk, such as brakes. In sex, we have certain things to mitigate that risk, such as condoms, hormonal birth control, vasectomies, spermicide and so on.

Sometimes, those things we use to mitigate that risk fail.

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

Actually, without sex, you're at increased risk of heart attack, and, in women, it can cause vaginismus, which is particularly unpleasant. In men, not having sex regularly increases the risk of prostate cancer.

It also carries certain psychological risks not to have sex IF a person desires to have sex.


A significant portion of driving is not necessary. One could walk or bike instead unless they live more than 10-15 miles from where they're going. If they live in a locale that has it, they can also take public transportation. In most circumstances, for most people, driving is no more "necessary" than sex is.

[Sanctissima]

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

You don't have a clue about love nor sexual pulsions do you?

-tries to resist making French joke-

Sexual drives are just that: drives. You can decide whether or not to follow through with them.

[Sanctissima]

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

Actually, without sex, you're at increased risk of heart attack, and, in women, it can cause vaginismus, which is particularly unpleasant. In men, not having sex regularly increases the risk of prostate cancer.

It also carries certain psychological risks not to have sex IF a person desires to have sex.


A significant portion of driving is not necessary. One could walk or bike instead unless they live more than 10-15 miles from where they're going. If they live in a locale that has it, they can also take public transportation. In most circumstances, for most people, driving is no more "necessary" than sex is.

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

[Pragia]

It's not a punishment. It's a responsibility.

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Let me know when responsibility involves killing human life.

I'd also want to hear your views on involuntary euthanasia, as that's fairly similar.

[Aelex]

-tries to resist making French joke-

Sexual drives are just that: drives. You can decide whether or not to follow through with them.

You can do a french joke, I'm quite used to them; plus; women do find our accent sexy so I guess I can accept some of their men's hate...

[Galloism]

Actually, without sex, you're at increased risk of heart attack, and, in women, it can cause vaginismus, which is particularly unpleasant. In men, not having sex regularly increases the risk of prostate cancer.

It also carries certain psychological risks not to have sex IF a person desires to have sex.


A significant portion of driving is not necessary. One could walk or bike instead unless they live more than 10-15 miles from where they're going. If they live in a locale that has it, they can also take public transportation. In most circumstances, for most people, driving is no more "necessary" than sex is.

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

The effects of masturbation on heart attack and prostate cancer are not proven.

Logic would imply vaginismus could be counteracted via occasional penetration of an (appropriately safe) object.

[Aelex]

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

If you love someone, why stop to the fap?

[Dyakovo]

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

You don't have a clue about love nor sexual pulsions do you?

What gave you the first clue?

[Sanctissima]

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

The effects of masturbation on heart attack and prostate cancer are not proven.

Logic would imply vaginismus could be counteracted via occasional penetration of an (appropriately safe) object.

I imagine the effects would be similar. I mean, for men, it's the same concept. Just instead of a woman, you use your hand...

And as you stated, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to do the same for women. A bit more complicated, but nonetheless mostly effective.

So sex is more or less unnecessary in preventing medical issues. Thus, in terms of pregnancy, the mother would still have had other means to satisfy her... urges.

[Galloism]

The effects of masturbation on heart attack and prostate cancer are not proven.

Logic would imply vaginismus could be counteracted via occasional penetration of an (appropriately safe) object.

I imagine the effects would be similar. I mean, for men, it's the same concept. Just instead of a woman, you use your hand...

And as you stated, it wouldn't be terribly difficult to do the same for women. A bit more complicated, but nonetheless mostly effective.

So sex is more or less unnecessary in preventing medical issues. Thus, in terms of pregnancy, the mother would still have had other means to satisfy her... urges.

You can imagine all you want, but the evidence is against you.

Masturbation does not have the same health benefits.

[Godular]

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Let me know when responsibility involves killing human life.

I'd also want to hear your views on involuntary euthanasia, as that's fairly similar.

Abortion is ensuring that an unwanted pregnancy does not proceed to term. If contraception fails, the woman should not be punished by being forced to carry the pregnancy to term.

[Galloism]

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Let me know when responsibility involves killing human life.

I'd also want to hear your views on involuntary euthanasia, as that's fairly similar.

A home invader breaks down my door and threatens my wife.

I emerge from the bathroom stark naked with a gun and a trail of toilet paper and shoot him dead. Responsibility taken.

[Sanctissima]

Let me know when responsibility involves killing human life.

I'd also want to hear your views on involuntary euthanasia, as that's fairly similar.

A home invader breaks down my door and threatens my wife.

I emerge from the bathroom stark naked with a gun and a trail of toilet paper and shoot him dead. Responsibility taken.

In this case, the home invader was your own child.

Plot twist.

[Galloism]

A home invader breaks down my door and threatens my wife.

I emerge from the bathroom stark naked with a gun and a trail of toilet paper and shoot him dead. Responsibility taken.

In this case, the home invader was your own child.

Plot twist.

Hypothetically, if the person is such an extreme and immediate threat that shooting him or her was necessary, blood relation doesn't really enter into the decision.

[Godular]

A home invader breaks down my door and threatens my wife.

I emerge from the bathroom stark naked with a gun and a trail of toilet paper and shoot him dead. Responsibility taken.

In this case, the home invader was your own child.

Plot twist.

Let us rephrase the situation. Imagine the woman is the house, and the fetus is a home invader. Here in Texas, we shoot home invaders.

Plot untwist.

[Aelex]

Hypothetically, if the person is such an extreme and immediate threat that shooting him or her was necessary, blood relation doesn't really enter into the decision.

Plus, who never wanted to kill one of it's children?

[Aelex]

Let us rephrase the situation. Imagine the woman is the house, and the fetus is a home invader. Here in Texas, we shoot home invaders.

Plot untwist.

Well, but how you put the gun in the womb?
Forget it, I don't wanna know...

[Sanctissima]

In this case, the home invader was your own child.

Plot twist.

Hypothetically, if the person is such an extreme and immediate threat that shooting him or her was necessary, blood relation doesn't really enter into the decision.

Perhaps, but at least the person in question will get a proper funeral.

The fetus just gets tossed into the garbage.

After it's been chopped up...

[Galloism]

Hypothetically, if the person is such an extreme and immediate threat that shooting him or her was necessary, blood relation doesn't really enter into the decision.

Perhaps, but at least the person in question will get a proper funeral.

The fetus just gets tossed into the garbage.

After it's been chopped up...

And John Does at the morgue get incinerated.

So?

EDIT: And now that we've established that sex has health benefits masturbation does NOT have, are you going to give up the whole "sex is less necessary than driving" thing?

[Dyakovo]

Hypothetically, if the person is such an extreme and immediate threat that shooting him or her was necessary, blood relation doesn't really enter into the decision.

Perhaps, but at least the person in question will get a proper funeral.

The fetus just gets tossed into the garbage.

After it's been chopped up...

No, it doesn't.

[Sanctissima]

In this case, the home invader was your own child.

Plot twist.

Let us rephrase the situation. Imagine the woman is the house, and the fetus is a home invader. Here in Texas, we shoot home invaders.

Plot untwist.

The home invader she invited in.

It's like letting some homeless guy stay with you, then brutally stabbing him to death when you realize he ate your last can of ice cream.

[Galloism]

Let us rephrase the situation. Imagine the woman is the house, and the fetus is a home invader. Here in Texas, we shoot home invaders.

Plot untwist.

The home invader she invited in.

It's like letting some homeless guy stay with you, then brutally stabbing him to death when you realize he ate your last can of ice cream.

No, it's more like the door lock in your home failed, and a homeless guy wandered in and threatened you and refused to leave.

If we're going the home invader route.

[Sanctissima]

Perhaps, but at least the person in question will get a proper funeral.

The fetus just gets tossed into the garbage.

After it's been chopped up...

And John Does at the morgue get incinerated.

So?

EDIT: And now that we've established that sex has health benefits masturbation does NOT have, are you going to give up the whole "sex is less necessary than driving" thing?

No, I'm not. Because even if the benefits are lower, they're still sufficient.

And do you realize what happens to fetuses after they've been aborted? Some get cremated, but the bodies of others have a less than pleasant fate.

[Galloism]

And John Does at the morgue get incinerated.

So?

EDIT: And now that we've established that sex has health benefits masturbation does NOT have, are you going to give up the whole "sex is less necessary than driving" thing?

No, I'm not. Because even if the benefits are lower, they're still sufficient.

And do you realize what happens to fetuses after they've been aborted? Some get cremated, but the bodies of others have a less than pleasant fate.

So what you're telling me is that while sex has definitive positive health benefits, while driving does not, driving is still more necessary than sex. How odd.


Do bodies feel things after they're dead now?

When did this happen?

[Mefpan]

Actually, without sex, you're at increased risk of heart attack, and, in women, it can cause vaginismus, which is particularly unpleasant. In men, not having sex regularly increases the risk of prostate cancer.

It also carries certain psychological risks not to have sex IF a person desires to have sex.


A significant portion of driving is not necessary. One could walk or bike instead unless they live more than 10-15 miles from where they're going. If they live in a locale that has it, they can also take public transportation. In most circumstances, for most people, driving is no more "necessary" than sex is.

Can't you just, y'know, masturbate?

If abortion is agreed upon to be murder, then it would follow that masturbation (at least for men) is genocide. I mean, think of all of those potential human beings...