Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Godular]

So pregnancy is a punishment. gotcha.

It's not a punishment. It's a responsibility.

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

[Florida Peninsula]

Lol, ok. Sorry

No, you're not. Don't bullshit.

WHAT???

1. I am
2. You flamed.
3. That insulted me

Well, nice job

[Sanctissima]

Now what are you on about?

I pointed out that you don't know why Einstein agreed to help invent the atomic bomb.

Not that you're culturally backwards or intellectually inferior.

He agreed to help because he wanted to show his genius and to contribute to Science.
But that doesn't change the fact that he is a war criminal.

Wrong, and wrong.

A very blunt and poor understanding of the situation.

He was convinced and coerced that if he didn't help, the Nazis would invent the bomb before the Americans. Then all hell would break loose.

He was wrong, but he didn't know that at the time.

He was not a war criminal.

[Sanctissima]

It's not a punishment. It's a responsibility.

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Right, because killing your child is being a responsible parent. How lovely.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

But the fetus is there because of a choice she made. She should not have the right to kill something that relies on her for it's survival due to prior actions. Actions done by her.

Yes, she does actually have the inherent right to refuse to support an unwanted parasite, regardless of how it got there. Consent to sex is not consent to remain pregnant.

[Sanctissima]

But the fetus is there because of a choice she made. She should not have the right to kill something that relies on her for it's survival due to prior actions. Actions done by her.

Yes, she does actually have the inherent right to refuse to support an unwanted parasite, regardless of how it got there. Consent to sex is not consent to remain pregnant.

"Parasite"?

Well, you're awfully shallow.

[Kelinfort]

No, you're not. Don't bullshit.

WHAT???

1. I am
2. You flamed.
3. That insulted me

Well, nice job

The door to ideological echo chamber is that way.

[Godular]

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Right, because killing your child is being a responsible parent. How lovely.

It is not a child. It is a fetus, it has not yet been born. If she does not wish to carry the pregnancy to term, she should not have to. If she terminates the pregnancy because she did not wish for it in the first place, who are you to gainsay her?

[Kelinfort]

Not the way you phrase it.

Abortion IS taking responsibility.

Right, because killing your child is being a responsible parent. How lovely.

It is taking responsibility. Just not your responsibility.

[Florida Peninsula]

WHAT???

1. I am
2. You flamed.
3. That insulted me

Well, nice job

The door to ideological echo chamber is that way.

What do you even mean?

[Florida Peninsula]

Right, because killing your child is being a responsible parent. How lovely.

It is not a child. It is a fetus, it has not yet been born. If she does not wish to carry the pregnancy to term, she should not have to. If she terminates the pregnancy because she did not wish for it in the first place, who are you to gainsay her?

The baby is not her body.

[Aelex]

Wrong, and wrong.

A very blunt and poor understanding of the situation.

He was convinced and coerced that if he didn't help, the Nazis would invent the bomb before the Americans. Then all hell would break loose.

He was wrong, but he didn't know that at the time.

He was not a war criminal.

I do think that killing 246 000 civilian; poisonning hundred of thousand other and making city inhabitable can be classed as war crime.
Especially when you have the cyniscm to study their reaction to the bombing.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

It is not a child. It is a fetus, it has not yet been born. If she does not wish to carry the pregnancy to term, she should not have to. If she terminates the pregnancy because she did not wish for it in the first place, who are you to gainsay her?

The baby is not her body.

No, but it is feeding off her body

[Godular]

It is not a child. It is a fetus, it has not yet been born. If she does not wish to carry the pregnancy to term, she should not have to. If she terminates the pregnancy because she did not wish for it in the first place, who are you to gainsay her?

The baby is not her body.

It is not a baby. It is a fetus, and yes it is part of her body. It is physically attached to her and uses her resources. If she does not wish to carry it to term, she has the right to have it removed.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

It's my fault that you're dying. If I can prevent it, I should be forced to do so.

But you're not, so what you feel should be isn't nearly as relevant as what actually is.

We don't force people to give up their organs or bodily fluids or to give access to their bodies against their will under any circumstances. Since our understanding of bodily autonomy would restrict society from such behaviours it's clear that forced pregnancy is also something that isn't acceptable. Her right to express ownership over her flesh trumps any fetus' interest in forcing her to provide shelter and sustenance against her will.

[Godular]

Wrong, and wrong.

A very blunt and poor understanding of the situation.

He was convinced and coerced that if he didn't help, the Nazis would invent the bomb before the Americans. Then all hell would break loose.

He was wrong, but he didn't know that at the time.

He was not a war criminal.

I do think that killing 246 000 civilian; poisonning hundred of thousand other and making city inhabitable can be classed as war crime.
Especially when you have the cyniscm to study their reaction to the bombing.

Irrelevant to the thread. Please make a new thread if you wish to debate this particular issue.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Yes, she does actually have the inherent right to refuse to support an unwanted parasite, regardless of how it got there. Consent to sex is not consent to remain pregnant.

"Parasite"?

Well, you're awfully shallow.

Oh, I'm sorry. Does accurate terminology make you uncomfortable?

[Aelex]

Irrelevant to the thread. Please make a new thread if you wish to debate this particular issue.

Sorry, let's cut off the disgression and go back to the original subject.

[Galloism]

So what?



So, if you rear-end my car, shredding my kidneys, I can demand a kidney from you and they will strap you down to a table and take it whether you like or not?

Ghastly.

Ideally, yes.

It's my fault that you're dying. If I can prevent it, I should be forced to do so.

Forced organ donation. Ghastly.

Now, suppose the reason you rear ended me is that the brakes failed in your car. Not anything you did, but just a freak accident.

Still?

[Dyakovo]

The world is not going to be good and good only.

I know, but TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER!

Forcing women to remain pregnant when they don't wish to be will not make the world better.

[Sanctissima]

Ideally, yes.

It's my fault that you're dying. If I can prevent it, I should be forced to do so.

Forced organ donation. Ghastly.

Now, suppose the reason you rear ended me is that the brakes failed in your car. Not anything you did, but just a freak accident.

Still?

In that case, no.

Mind you, I really should have gotten my brakes checked.

Of course, failing brakes aren't exactly the best analogy for unwanted pregnancies. I haven't heard of any circumstances where a woman's vagina spontaneously crashed into a man's genitalia.

[Galloism]

Forced organ donation. Ghastly.

Now, suppose the reason you rear ended me is that the brakes failed in your car. Not anything you did, but just a freak accident.

Still?

In that case, no.

Mind you, I really should have gotten my brakes checked.

Of course, failing brakes aren't exactly the best analogy for unwanted pregnancies. I haven't heard of any circumstances where a woman's vagina spontaneously crashed into a man's genitalia.

Actually, it works pretty well: Driving is a common activity that carries with it certain risks - much like sex.

In driving, we have certain things we use to mitigate that risk, such as brakes. In sex, we have certain things to mitigate that risk, such as condoms, hormonal birth control, vasectomies, spermicide and so on.

Sometimes, those things we use to mitigate that risk fail.

[Mefpan]

Forced organ donation. Ghastly.

Now, suppose the reason you rear ended me is that the brakes failed in your car. Not anything you did, but just a freak accident.

Still?

In that case, no.

Mind you, I really should have gotten my brakes checked.

Of course, failing brakes aren't exactly the best analogy for unwanted pregnancies. I haven't heard of any circumstances where a woman's vagina spontaneously crashed into a man's genitalia.

Yeah well, the comparison isn't between failing brakes and sex, it's between failing brakes and failing birth control.

Taking precautions and then it turns out those fail, y'see.

[Sanctissima]

In that case, no.

Mind you, I really should have gotten my brakes checked.

Of course, failing brakes aren't exactly the best analogy for unwanted pregnancies. I haven't heard of any circumstances where a woman's vagina spontaneously crashed into a man's genitalia.

Actually, it works pretty well: Driving is a common activity that carries with it certain risks - much like sex.

In driving, we have certain things we use to mitigate that risk, such as brakes. In sex, we have certain things to mitigate that risk, such as condoms, hormonal birth control, vasectomies, spermicide and so on.

Sometimes, those things we use to mitigate that risk fail.

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

[Aelex]

Yes, but sex isn't necessary, is it?

A lot of people need to drive because it's their only source of transportation.

Sex, on the other hand, is entirely optional.

You don't have a clue about love nor sexual pulsions do you?