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Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?

Yes, absolutely!
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Yes, but only in certain circumstances (please specify in a post)
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No, never!
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Total votes : 1938

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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Sanctissima wrote:Because trying to prevent genocidal maniacs from inventing the atomic bomb is the definition of a war criminal.

Kudos, for not understanding history.

Why do all people who don't know a shit about history always try to pick me on history? :eyebrow:
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:I ain't saying the world is good. So your saying that the world should ALWAYS be bad. Ok.

No, I'm saying that reality differentiates to what you're saying. If you stop focusing on the good, and focus on the bad, then you'll actually see where your argument goes to

I see, but first YOU should make the world good, not bad.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:59 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:The atomic bomb was made for scientific reasons.

And for exterminate people and show U.S superiority...
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:59 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:That is nature you prick.

So is it logical that all women should be required to be pregnant at all possible times?

NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Realism =/= negativism.


Can you get to the point?

You can look any time. Realism is not negativity. Realism means there's going to be good and bad. You don't know if the fetus is going to be good or bad, you have no idea. The idea of potential is silly, really.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Realism =/= negativism.


Can you get to the point?

If you still didn't saw it, I can nothing for you...
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Aelex wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:Because trying to prevent genocidal maniacs from inventing the atomic bomb is the definition of a war criminal.

Kudos, for not understanding history.

Why do all people who don't know a shit about history always try to pick me on history? :eyebrow:


Because in this case, you evidently don't understand part of it.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Godular wrote:
Stop acting as if abortion is punishing the fetus.


Stop acting as if pregnancy is punishing the mother.

This can get circular very quickly my friend.

We're not saying pregnancy punishes the mother (that's what a lot of prolifers say).

We're saying that pregnancy is a risky medical situation, and like all other people, women should be able to make their own medical decisions about what to do in risky medical situations.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:No, I'm saying that reality differentiates to what you're saying. If you stop focusing on the good, and focus on the bad, then you'll actually see where your argument goes to

I see, but first YOU should make the world good, not bad.

The world is not going to be good and good only.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Aelex wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:The atomic bomb was made for scientific reasons.

And for exterminate people and show U.S superiority...

That is not true.

When the Americans dropped the bomb, the inventor actually cried when he heard it on the news.

Please read your history.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:So is it logical that all women should be required to be pregnant at all possible times?

NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.

So many lost great people!

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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:00 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:So is it logical that all women should be required to be pregnant at all possible times?

NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.

But you're missing out on all that potential if you don't make all women pregnant as much as possible.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:I see, but first YOU should make the world good, not bad.

The world is not going to be good and good only.

I know, but TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER!
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.

But you're missing out on all that potential if you don't make all women pregnant as much as possible.

Nature.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.

So many lost great people!

The porn industry alone has killed hundreds of trillions.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Galloism wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Stop acting as if pregnancy is punishing the mother.

This can get circular very quickly my friend.

We're not saying pregnancy punishes the mother (that's what a lot of prolifers say).

We're saying that pregnancy is a risky medical situation, and like all other people, women should be able to make their own medical decisions about what to do in risky medical situations.


And I'm saying that unless it's life-threatening, the fetus' life is more important than it's mother's medical concerns.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:But you're missing out on all that potential if you don't make all women pregnant as much as possible.

Nature.

Nature lets women get pregnant for a good portion of their lives.

Who am I to argue with nature? The potential is so important, you know.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:01 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:The world is not going to be good and good only.

I know, but TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER!

Forcing people to do something against their will makes the world worse.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:02 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:The world is not going to be good and good only.

I know, but TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER!

:palm:
You probably didn't know, but the potential of a fetus is not know to us.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:02 am

Galloism wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:So many lost great people!

The porn industry alone has killed hundreds of trillions.

Well, those guys are idiots. Who wants that job anyway.

Pro Choice people lol
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Postby Mefpan » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:02 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:The world is not going to be good and good only.

I know, but TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER!

We are trying to make it better, but apparently allowing people to decide freely over their body isn't good so I'll settle for that bit of badness in the world.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:02 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Nature.

Nature lets women get pregnant for a good portion of their lives.

Who am I to argue with nature? The potential is so important, you know.

So...
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:02 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Galloism wrote:We're not saying pregnancy punishes the mother (that's what a lot of prolifers say).

We're saying that pregnancy is a risky medical situation, and like all other people, women should be able to make their own medical decisions about what to do in risky medical situations.


And I'm saying that unless it's life-threatening, the fetus' life is more important than it's mother's medical concerns.

And we're not- because we value bodily sovereignty.

Just like I cannot force you to give me a kidney, I cannot force a woman to use her body as an incubator against her will. It's unethical, immoral, and just flat out wrong.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:03 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:NOOOO!

I said it is nature to not be fertilized/not be pregnant.

So many lost great people!

hypocrite.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:03 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:Nature lets women get pregnant for a good portion of their lives.

Who am I to argue with nature? The potential is so important, you know.

So...

So, I'm proposing we force all women to be pregnant at all times they are capable of being so with reasonably low levels of medical risk.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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