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Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?

Yes, absolutely!
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Yes, but only in certain circumstances (please specify in a post)
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No, never!
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
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Could bes and would bes are pointless. Argument from potential is utterly worthless.

Hypocrite.

This is why all women should be pregnant perpetually. After all, every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:54 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Murder however is separate.

And sex is usually taken with precautions. Let me introduce you to what a condom is.

Pro choice people don't use birth control though. They WANT abortions to show their awesomeness 8) 8)

I can't even bother.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:54 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

How about bad people.

Why do you pro choice people ALWAYS think negative.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:54 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's only one good person.

:rofl:

You can't even count

No, I just don't presume that Bill Gates qualifies as a good person.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:54 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Hypocrite.

This is why all women should be pregnant perpetually. After all, every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein.

ok.... :unsure:
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:54 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:How about bad people.

Why do you pro choice people ALWAYS think negative.

That's because we live in the fine and dandy world called reality, not self absorbed asshole world of "everything's just wonderful".
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Godular wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Hypocrite.


Incorrect. I focus on what is, rather than what might be.

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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Pro choice people don't use birth control though. They WANT abortions to show their awesomeness 8) 8)

I can't even bother.
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What?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:This is why all women should be pregnant perpetually. After all, every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein.

ok.... :unsure:

It's logical, based on your argument from potential. Every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein or Steve Jobs or whoever.

You're not letting those wonderful people exist by failing to impregnate every fertile female ever.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Galloism wrote:How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

That's only one good person.[/quote]
Who is the good one; the war criminal or the slaver? :p
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote: :rofl:

You can't even count

No, I just don't presume that Bill Gates qualifies as a good person.

He is innovative, smarts.

Bet your using a windows product to be on this game right now.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:55 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:I can't even bother.
:palm:

What?

That's not even a argument, that's just irrelevance.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:56 am

Aelex wrote:Who is the good one; the war criminal or the slaver? :p

Your pick. :P
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:56 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Why do you pro choice people ALWAYS think negative.

That's because we live in the fine and dandy world called reality, not self absorbed asshole world of "everything's just wonderful".

I ain't saying the world is good. So your saying that the world should ALWAYS be bad. Ok.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:56 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, I just don't presume that Bill Gates qualifies as a good person.

He is innovative, smarts.

Bet your using a windows product to be on this game right now.

Bill Gates is not innovative. He's a business major. The brains at the beginning was Steve Jobs. Bill gates just sold it.

He hires innovative people. There's a difference.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.

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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:56 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:Why do you pro choice people ALWAYS think negative.

Realism =/= negativism.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:57 am

Aelex wrote:
Galloism wrote:How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

That's only one good person.

Who is the good one; the war criminal or the slaver? :p[/quote]

Because trying to prevent genocidal maniacs from inventing the atomic bomb is the definition of a war criminal.

Kudos, for not understanding history.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:57 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:ok.... :unsure:

It's logical, based on your argument from potential. Every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein or Steve Jobs or whoever.

You're not letting those wonderful people exist by failing to impregnate every fertile female ever.

That is nature you prick.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:57 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Aelex wrote:That's only one good person.

Who is the good one; the war criminal or the slaver? :p


Because trying to prevent genocidal maniacs from inventing the atomic bomb is the definition of a war criminal.

Kudos, for not understanding history.[/quote]
The atomic bomb was made for scientific reasons.
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:57 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's why we don't treat people who get injured in car accidents. Their injuries are due to their own actions, and they have a responsibility to deal with them.


Right, the car crash analogy again. Not like that hasn't already been used a thousand times.

A car crash involves two people (or groups). Person A and Person B. Treating one won't result in the death of the other.

Pregnancy involves three groups. A & B (people having sex) and C (the fetus). Person C was not involved in the prior situation between persons A and B. It had no prior say, or input, or action. It should not be punished to alleviate the repercussions felt by person A (pregnant woman) as a result of her actions.


Stop acting as if abortion is punishing the fetus.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:That's because we live in the fine and dandy world called reality, not self absorbed asshole world of "everything's just wonderful".

I ain't saying the world is good. So your saying that the world should ALWAYS be bad. Ok.

No, I'm saying that reality differentiates to what you're saying. If you stop focusing on the good, and focus on the bad, then you'll actually see where your argument goes to
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:It's logical, based on your argument from potential. Every missed fertilization is a missed opportunity for another Albert Einstein or Steve Jobs or whoever.

You're not letting those wonderful people exist by failing to impregnate every fertile female ever.

That is nature you prick.

So is it logical that all women should be required to be pregnant at all possible times?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Aelex wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Why do you pro choice people ALWAYS think negative.

Realism =/= negativism.


Can you get to the point?
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Godular wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Right, the car crash analogy again. Not like that hasn't already been used a thousand times.

A car crash involves two people (or groups). Person A and Person B. Treating one won't result in the death of the other.

Pregnancy involves three groups. A & B (people having sex) and C (the fetus). Person C was not involved in the prior situation between persons A and B. It had no prior say, or input, or action. It should not be punished to alleviate the repercussions felt by person A (pregnant woman) as a result of her actions.


Stop acting as if abortion is punishing the fetus.


Stop acting as if pregnancy is punishing the mother.

This can get circular very quickly my friend.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:58 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:No, I just don't presume that Bill Gates qualifies as a good person.

He is innovative, smarts.

Bet your using a windows product to be on this game right now.

So? People would fill his place. Remember they have, for the thousands of "potential" great people aborted.
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