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Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

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Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?

Yes, absolutely!
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55%
Yes, but only in certain circumstances (please specify in a post)
509
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No, never!
365
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Total votes : 1938

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Godular wrote:
Good for you. You're still wrong. Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility.

Sex ain't just for procreation.


Murder is rarely a responsible course of action.

And sex has consequences too. Who knew.

Abortions aren't murder. Murder has a specific legal definition: the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought.

Don't use words you don't know the meaning of.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Godular wrote:
Its not a kid, it is an unborn fetus.

And treating a potential life a superior to an actual life is wrong.


It's a future life.

And you're a future corpse, so I guess we should go ahead and bury you now...
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 am

Aelex wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:RIP constitution

Also, my sentences are revenant. I know you understand. No offense.

But lets put it to this, The baby HAS RIGHTS. It is Sentient. Also, I am not ignorant. The baby is younger thing MAKES sense. He is younger, that is why almost ALL parents will be willing to risk their lives for the child(I bet the pro choice ones don't though)

Goo have the ability to reason? Diantre, it explain why my yogurt was staring me this morning...

Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Godular wrote:
It needs to be born in order to have rights.

Sources?

The déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen.
People are BORN egual in rights and remain so.
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:50 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Godular wrote:
It needs to be born in order to have rights.

Sources?


The constitution.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:51 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Murder is rarely a responsible course of action.

And sex has consequences too. Who knew.


Murder however is separate.

And sex is usually taken with precautions. Let me introduce you to what a condom is.

Pro choice people don't use birth control though. They WANT abortions to show their awesomeness 8) 8)
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:51 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Goo have the ability to reason? Diantre, it explain why my yogurt was staring me this morning...

Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.

They could be Hitler Mark II.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:51 am

Godular wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Sources?


The constitution.

Show me the part.
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Postby Aelex » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:51 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.

Or it may be another Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler... Strangely, it became way less appealing...
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:51 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Murder however is separate.

And sex is usually taken with precautions. Let me introduce you to what a condom is.

Pro choice people don't use birth control though. They WANT abortions to show their awesomeness 8) 8)

Great, now I have to get an excavator to shovel all the bullshit out of this thread.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.

They could be Hitler Mark II.

It could be Steve Jobs II
Bill Gates II
George Washington II
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Godular wrote:
Good for you. You're still wrong. Getting an abortion IS taking responsibility.

Sex ain't just for procreation.


Murder is rarely a responsible course of action.

And sex has consequences too. Who knew.


It isn't murder.

And getting is an abortion is taking responsibility for those actions, whether you like how they do it or not.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Pro choice people don't use birth control though. They WANT abortions to show their awesomeness 8) 8)

Great, now I have to get an excavator to shovel all the bullshit out of this thread.

Ok :unsure:
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Aelex wrote:So you are willing to sacrife a real life for the sake of an potential's one?


Who said anything about sacrificing the mother's life?

At worst, she has to endure 9 months of pregnancy and economic troubles.

Nobody's throwing garnish, oiling her up and sacrificing her to the volcano god.

No, at worst she dies.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Goo have the ability to reason? Diantre, it explain why my yogurt was staring me this morning...

Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.

Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

No, it isn't.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Wah wah boo hoo. Potential doesn't mean crap.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:They could be Hitler Mark II.

It could be Steve Jobs II
Bill Gates II
George Washington II

And?
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:52 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:They could be Hitler Mark II.

It could be Steve Jobs II
Bill Gates II
George Washington II


Could bes and would bes are pointless. Argument from potential is utterly worthless.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Aelex wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:Look, those are bacteria. This is a person who will be a human being. That fetus of yours is more than a bunch of cells.

That fetus of yours could be a person who will change the world.
That fetus of yours could be a person who will make something innovative

Yet you don't give a crap.

Or it may be another Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler... Strangely, it became way less appealing...

How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Galloism wrote:They could be Hitler Mark II.

It could be Steve Jobs II
Bill Gates II
George Washington II

It could be is the major fuck up.

What if it's not? It's not going to be a miracle baby, what if it's a average baby?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Or it may be another Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler... Strangely, it became way less appealing...

How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

That's only one good person.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Godular wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:It could be Steve Jobs II
Bill Gates II
George Washington II


Could bes and would bes are pointless. Argument from potential is utterly worthless.

Hypocrite.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Aelex wrote:Or it may be another Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler... Strangely, it became way less appealing...

How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

How about bad people.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Galloism wrote:
Sanctissima wrote:
Right, "foreign invader", that's nice.

Well, I've heard the word "parasite" used every now and then, so I suppose this is an advancement.

The fetus is there because of the mother's actions. She has a responsibility to give birth to it.

That's why we don't treat people who get injured in car accidents. Their injuries are due to their own actions, and they have a responsibility to deal with them.


Right, the car crash analogy again. Not like that hasn't already been used a thousand times.

A car crash involves two people (or groups). Person A and Person B. Treating one won't result in the death of the other.

Pregnancy involves three groups. A & B (people having sex) and C (the fetus). Person C was not involved in the prior situation between persons A and B. It had no prior say, or input, or action. It should not be punished to alleviate the repercussions felt by person A (pregnant woman) as a result of her actions.

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Postby Florida Peninsula » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Galloism wrote:
Florida Peninsula wrote:How about the good people.

Albert Einstein
Bill Gates

That's only one good person.

:rofl:

You can't even count
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Postby Godular » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:53 am

Florida Peninsula wrote:
Godular wrote:
Could bes and would bes are pointless. Argument from potential is utterly worthless.

Hypocrite.


Incorrect. I focus on what is, rather than what might be.
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Faction 1: The An'Kazar Control Framework of Godular-- An enormously advanced collective of formerly human bioborgs that are vastly experienced in both inter-dimensional travel and asymmetrical warfare.
A 1.08 civilization, according to this Nation Index Thingie
A 0.076 (or 0.067) civilization, according to THIS Nation Index Thingie
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