Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Wallenburg]

Then what is?

The pregnancy, obviously.

I'm just not familiar with the semantics. Thanks.

[Aelex]

Abortion is the ending of pregnancy by removing a fetus or embryo from the womb before it can survive on its own.

Note the part in blue...

You know that it's not by being more douchy and contemptuous that it will change the simple fact that ending an abortion's goal is to ultimately avoid the birth.
Now it's also true that removing the fetus as for effect to end the pregnancy but it's the consequence of abortion and not the cause.

[Dyakovo]

Abortion is the ending of pregnancy by removing a fetus or embryo from the womb before it can survive on its own.

Note the part in blue...

You know that it's not by being more douchy and contemptuous that it will change the simple fact that ending an abortion's goal is to ultimately avoid the birth.
Now it's also true that removing the fetus as for effect to end the pregnancy but it's the consequence of abortion and not the cause.

No, an abortion's goal is ending the pregnancy. Everything else is a side effect.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

You know that it's not by being more douchy and contemptuous that it will change the simple fact that ending an abortion's goal is to ultimately avoid the birth.
Now it's also true that removing the fetus as for effect to end the pregnancy but it's the consequence of abortion and not the cause.

No, an abortion's goal is ending the pregnancy. Everything else is a side effect.

True but irrelevant.

[Dyakovo]

No, an abortion's goal is ending the pregnancy. Everything else is a side effect.

True but irrelevant.

No, since this little side discussion was about what gets aborted, the fact that an abortion aborts the pregnancy not the foetus or the birth is 100% relevant.

[Godular]

True but irrelevant.

No, since this little side discussion was about what gets aborted, the fact that an abortion aborts the pregnancy not the foetus or the birth is 100% relevant.

In the larger scheme of things tho, what part of the argument is affected? Does it mystically destroy the woman's right to control her own body if we decide that abortion terminates a pregnancy or the typical end product of said pregnancy?

Serious question.

[Gauthier]

I see it's still "Protect the Unborn, but once they come out, fuck 'em they're on their own."

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I see it's still "Protect the Unborn, but once they come out, fuck 'em they're on their own."

There is a good reason for that- outside the womb, they are capable of wearing boots, and thus, be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but, inside, not only is it no feasible (though we may develop the technology to implant boots onto foetus), but there is little room to pull themselves.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I see it's still "Protect the Unborn, but once they come out, fuck 'em they're on their own."

There is a good reason for that- outside the womb, they are capable of wearing boots, and thus, be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but, inside, not only is it no feasible (though we may develop the technology to implant boots onto foetus), but there is little room to pull themselves.

are you suggesting we tell infants, toddlers, and children to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" because a lot of these kids don't even own boots.

[Gauthier]

There is a good reason for that- outside the womb, they are capable of wearing boots, and thus, be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, but, inside, not only is it no feasible (though we may develop the technology to implant boots onto foetus), but there is little room to pull themselves.

are you suggesting we tell infants, toddlers, and children to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" because a lot of these kids don't even own boots.

That was sarcasm.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

are you suggesting we tell infants, toddlers, and children to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" because a lot of these kids don't even own boots.

That was sarcasm.

okay great
because I was imagining someone telling a 6 month old to get a job

[Gauthier]

That was sarcasm.

okay great
because I was imagining someone telling a 6 month old to get a job

Newt Gingrich or Donald Trump.

[Godular]

That was sarcasm.

okay great
because I was imagining someone telling a 6 month old to get a job

So when somebody leaves an infant at the fire station its considered 'Recruitment'?

[Gauthier]

okay great
because I was imagining someone telling a 6 month old to get a job

So when somebody leaves an infant at the fire station its considered 'Recruitment'?

There's a Republican idea waiting to happen: Military bases are now considered Safe Havens for infants.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

okay great
because I was imagining someone telling a 6 month old to get a job

Newt Gingrich or Donald Trump.

wash your mouth out for saying those names.

[Godular]

So when somebody leaves an infant at the fire station its considered 'Recruitment'?

There's a Republican idea waiting to happen: Military bases are now considered Safe Havens for infants.

There's a thought for a new NS issue...

[Banana Nanica]

Although I think any abortion could be a human life being interrupted, I'm against abortion after 3 weeks of pregnancy, so we can deal with most of the legal and moral aspects of the issue.

[Neutraligon]

Although I think any abortion could be a human life being interrupted, I'm against abortion after 3 weeks of pregnancy, so we can deal with most of the legal and moral aspects of the issue.

Most women have no idea they are pregnant until after that time.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Although I think any abortion could be a human life being interrupted, I'm against abortion after 3 weeks of pregnancy, so we can deal with most of the legal and moral aspects of the issue.

3 weeks? what the fuck?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Although I think any abortion could be a human life being interrupted, I'm against abortion after 3 weeks of pregnancy, so we can deal with most of the legal and moral aspects of the issue.

Why 3 weeks?

[Banana Nanica]

Although I think any abortion could be a human life being interrupted, I'm against abortion after 3 weeks of pregnancy, so we can deal with most of the legal and moral aspects of the issue.

Most women have no idea they are pregnant until after that time.

It's not meant to be a birth control option, it's just for dealing with accidents and rape without going full the "its just a bunch of cells" road.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Most women have no idea they are pregnant until after that time.

It's not meant to be a birth control option, it's just for dealing with accidents and rape without going full the "its just a bunch of cells" road.

Except that 3 weeks is literally before a woman even misses her period. VERY few women will know they are pregnant.

[Wallenburg]

Most women have no idea they are pregnant until after that time.

It's not meant to be a birth control option, it's just for dealing with accidents and rape without going full the "its just a bunch of cells" road.

Did you even read what you quoted?

[Banana Nanica]

It's not meant to be a birth control option, it's just for dealing with accidents and rape without going full the "its just a bunch of cells" road.

Except that 3 weeks is literally before a woman even misses her period. VERY few women will know they are pregnant.

If you had sex without birth control, you should check.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Except that 3 weeks is literally before a woman even misses her period. VERY few women will know they are pregnant.

If you had sex without birth control, you should check.

There is no reliable method to determine pregnancy at 3 weeks LMP.
Not to mention that half of all women who receive abortion care were using birth control.