Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

He's categorically wrong if he said pro-choice was consistent with Nazism. The Nazis were anti-abortion.

As far as the slaveholder thing, that doesn't hold up either because a fetus doesn't have the same mental capacity and self-awareness as a full-grown black person. And nobody's bodily sovereignty has to be violated for black people to have the legal status of human beings.

The Nazis were only anti-abortion towards their own people. They wanted to keep the "Aryan" race strong and steady. Meanwhile, if it was children who had disabilities, or other "undesirables", their parents were often forcibly sterilized. And if the children were not in the womb, the Nazis used the abominable T-4 Program.

And?

[USS Monitor]

He's categorically wrong if he said pro-choice was consistent with Nazism. The Nazis were anti-abortion.

As far as the slaveholder thing, that doesn't hold up either because a fetus doesn't have the same mental capacity and self-awareness as a full-grown black person. And nobody's bodily sovereignty has to be violated for black people to have the legal status of human beings.

The Nazis were only anti-abortion towards their own people. They wanted to keep the "Aryan" race strong and steady. Meanwhile, if it was children who had disabilities, or other "undesirables", their parents were often forcibly sterilized. And if the children were not in the womb, the Nazis used the abominable T-4 Program.

That's still not a pro-choice position.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

[USS Monitor]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

Yeah, I can sympathize with that. Even though I am pro-choice, I would be very reluctant to have an abortion myself. I don't like the idea of throwing away a potential life, especially someone who would be family.

[Wallenburg]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

So you're pro-choice? Glad to hear it.

[Cankristia]

IC: It is the position of the Government of Cankristia that the rights of a woman outstrip any right a fetus may have until viability outside of the womb might occur. An explanation is offered below.

As it has already been conceded that life is not sacred (after all, we eat meat and cut down plants like nobodies business), the only moral objection to abortion would be if it meant the loss of a human life. Technically speaking, it does.

However, what makes human life so grand is not a matter of chemical makeup, but rather, a matter of capability. Humans are sacred creatures because of the capacity to reason morally and act independently of others. Fetuses can do neither. Therefore, a fetuses life is less important, ergo, abortion should have no restrictions until viability outside of the womb.

Furthermore, one of the six characteristics that all life has in common is ability to maintain homeostasis. Fetuses cannot maintain homeostasis, ergo, fetuses are not alive. Abortion should not be banned.

OOC: Until a fetus is viable outside of the womb, it is not an independent life. It depends on the mother to exist. It is a parasite. Once it is viable outside of the womb, however, I believe a premature birth would be in order. A mother does not have the right to decide what is or is worthy of saving, provided she's not footing the bill.

[Libertarian South America]

I'm pro of everyone stopping trying to care to other people's business. Why society insists of right / wrong standards? Why not look less to others but more to ourselves?

[Godular]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

I'm fairly certain this is the basic pro-choice position. Namely... 'Its her choice, I might not agree with it but oh well'

[Rusozak]

I once saw a trucker hat on some old guy (of course) that said "From conception to birth." It was then that I realized that they really, truly ONLY care about them being born, not what happens after. We got the same pro-lifers arguing against support for struggling parents and single mothers. Being anti-contraceptive, pro-life, and anti-child welfare, the extreme right likes to think the only "moral" option for anyone who's not certain they're ready and willing to have a child is total abstinence, but that's simply not realistic.

[Shazbotdom]

IC: It is the position of the Government of Cankristia that the rights of a woman outstrip any right a fetus may have until viability outside of the womb might occur. An explanation is offered below.

As it has already been conceded that life is not sacred (after all, we eat meat and cut down plants like nobodies business), the only moral objection to abortion would be if it meant the loss of a human life. Technically speaking, it does.

However, what makes human life so grand is not a matter of chemical makeup, but rather, a matter of capability. Humans are sacred creatures because of the capacity to reason morally and act independently of others. Fetuses can do neither. Therefore, a fetuses life is less important, ergo, abortion should have no restrictions until viability outside of the womb.

Furthermore, one of the six characteristics that all life has in common is ability to maintain homeostasis. Fetuses cannot maintain homeostasis, ergo, fetuses are not alive. Abortion should not be banned.

OOC: Until a fetus is viable outside of the womb, it is not an independent life. It depends on the mother to exist. It is a parasite. Once it is viable outside of the womb, however, I believe a premature birth would be in order. A mother does not have the right to decide what is or is worthy of saving, provided she's not footing the bill.

You know, this is not an IC forum......

[North Timeria]

I just have a quick question... How do women have the right to take a life. I understand if their life is in danger or in the case of incest or rape but if they get pregnant and decide they don't want the baby isn't that their fault.

[Alyakia]

I just have a quick question... How do women have the right to take a life. I understand if their life is in danger or in the case of incest or rape but if they get pregnant and decide they don't want the baby isn't that their fault.

because it's their body and you can't force them to have a baby they don't want

there are some people that are against it in the case of rape as well because that's not the baby's fault either, is it? unless you think are basing it on whether its the mothers fault or not, which just sounds like punishment.

resposting this too

[North Timeria]

I just have a quick question... How do women have the right to take a life. I understand if their life is in danger or in the case of incest or rape but if they get pregnant and decide they don't want the baby isn't that their fault.

because it's their body and you can't force them to have a baby they don't want

there are some people that are against it in the case of rape as well because that's not the baby's fault either, is it? unless you think are basing it on whether its the mothers fault or not, which just sounds like punishment.

resposting this too

Understood. I get both side but I'm just trying to figure out where exactly do I stand.

[Godular]

I just have a quick question... How do women have the right to take a life. I understand if their life is in danger or in the case of incest or rape but if they get pregnant and decide they don't want the baby isn't that their fault.

Pregnancy is a punishment, again? While virtually every baby results from intercourse, that does not inherently mean that everybody who engages in sex does so with the intent to produce a child. This thread was quite recently focused on exactly this point of contention.

Summarizing the response to your question: Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Consent can also be revoked. No woman should be obligated or otherwise coerced into carrying a pregnancy against their will.

[Dyakovo]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

Well, then you can cheer up, because the foetus is not what is aborted.

[Wallenburg]

This is a topic I stray the fuck away from. Not because I find it repugnant, but because I choose to be apathetic towards it. If I delve into it, I know I'll overthink it and find myself unable to choose a side.

But, honestly, the idea of aborting a fetus makes me depressed. I hate the thought of a potential life, one with laughter, love, everything being taken away in the womb. That said, not every woman feels the same, so I cannot push my personal distaste for abortion onto others. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, then she should be able to, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

Well, then you can cheer up, because the foetus is not what is aborted.

Then what is?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Well, then you can cheer up, because the foetus is not what is aborted.

Then what is?

The pregnancy, obviously.

[Dyakovo]

Well, then you can cheer up, because the foetus is not what is aborted.

Then what is?

The pregnancy.

[Aelex]

The pregnancy.

I would have say the birth personnaly.

[Dyakovo]

The pregnancy.

I would have say the birth personnaly.

And you would have been wrong.

[Mefpan]

I would have say the birth personnaly.

And you would have been wrong.

How the hell would you abort a birth, anyway? Put a hand to the forehead, give it a good shove back in and say "Nope, not today, sucker"?

[Aelex]

And you would have been wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an advocate of Choice; I think that no one has the right to decide to fuck up a woman life just because of his personnal moral.
Now, it would be pure wordplay than to say that what an abortion do isn't to remove the fetus and thus avoiding its birth.

[Dyakovo]

And you would have been wrong.

How the hell would you abort a birth, anyway?

Duct tape.
*nods*

Put a hand to the forehead, give it a good shove back in and say "Nope, not today, sucker"?

That might work too...

[Godular]

And you would have been wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an advocate of Choice; I think that no one has the right to decide to fuck up a woman life just because of his personnal moral.
Now, it would be pure wordplay than to say that what an abortion do isn't to remove the fetus and thus avoiding its birth.

The technical aspect is that it is removing the support the fetus recieves in the womb, as well as its presence within the woman. That this will result in the death of the fetus is an unfortunate but also unavoidable side effect.

[Dyakovo]

And you would have been wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an advocate of Choice; I think that no one has the right to decide to fuck up a woman life just because of his personnal moral.
Now, it would be pure wordplay than to say that what an abortion do isn't to remove the fetus and thus avoiding its birth.

Abortion is the ending of pregnancy by removing a fetus or embryo from the womb before it can survive on its own.

Note the part in blue...