Abortion: Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[The Alma Mater]

No, taxes do not mean you get to strip women of their rights.

Well.. IF they pay enough tax to make certain all those kids will have a good youth, decent education etc. as well as funding functional artificial wombs in which an unwanted fetus can be transplanted without damage to the unwilling morther.. I would be willing to accept legislation that replaces abortion with that.

Of course, that will never happen, but still.

[Wallenburg]

No, taxes do not mean you get to strip women of their rights.

Well.. IF they pay enough tax to make certain all those kids will have a good youth, decent education etc. as well as funding functional artificial wombs in which an unwanted fetus can be transplanted without damage to the unwilling morther.. I would be willing to accept legislation that replaces abortion with that.

Of course, that will never happen, but still.

I see it happening in the next few decades. Essentially, the pro-choice faction largely agrees that, if a fetus can survive outside the womb, it should be delivered rather than destroyed. Increasing competence in medical technology is pushing back the age of viability. Eventually--if we do not destroy ourselves--we will advance to the point that 3-week old fetuses can be removed from the womb and artificially supported until "birth".

[The Alma Mater]

Well.. IF they pay enough tax to make certain all those kids will have a good youth, decent education etc. as well as funding functional artificial wombs in which an unwanted fetus can be transplanted without damage to the unwilling morther.. I would be willing to accept legislation that replaces abortion with that.

Of course, that will never happen, but still.

I see it happening in the next few decades. Essentially, the pro-choice faction largely agrees that, if a fetus can survive outside the womb, it should be delivered rather than destroyed. Increasing competence in medical technology is pushing back the age of viability. Eventually--if we do not destroy ourselves--we will advance to the point that 3-week old fetuses can be removed from the womb and artificially supported until "birth".

That still leaves the second part of giving them a good life. As someone mentioned earlier in the topic, they are not using the name "pro-birth" - but "pro-life". Life does not end at birth. Dumping hundreds of thousands of babies in a ditch somewhere is not better than abortion.

[Wallenburg]

I see it happening in the next few decades. Essentially, the pro-choice faction largely agrees that, if a fetus can survive outside the womb, it should be delivered rather than destroyed. Increasing competence in medical technology is pushing back the age of viability. Eventually--if we do not destroy ourselves--we will advance to the point that 3-week old fetuses can be removed from the womb and artificially supported until "birth".

That still leaves the second part of giving them a good life. As someone mentioned earlier in the topic, they are not using the name "pro-birth" - but "pro-life". Life does not end at birth. Dumping hundreds of thousands of babies in a ditch somewhere is not better than abortion.

I agree. It is infinitely worse.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

That still leaves the second part of giving them a good life. As someone mentioned earlier in the topic, they are not using the name "pro-birth" - but "pro-life". Life does not end at birth. Dumping hundreds of thousands of babies in a ditch somewhere is not better than abortion.

I agree. It is infinitely worse.

So, if artificial wombs were viable, what are we supposed to do? Flood the world with not only a horrific population boom, but also too many children to feed?
At what point are we going to realize that artificial wombs are only good for the mother who wants a child but cannot carry to term? It's not a good solution to stop abortion, it will cause too many issues.

[Wallenburg]

I agree. It is infinitely worse.

So, if artificial wombs were viable, what are we supposed to do? Flood the world with not only a horrific population boom, but also too many children to feed?
At what point are we going to realize that artificial wombs are only good for the mother who wants a child but cannot carry to term? It's not a good solution to stop abortion, it will cause too many issues.

Perhaps we should encourage use of contraceptives and reduce income inequality so that people can afford such measures?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

So, if artificial wombs were viable, what are we supposed to do? Flood the world with not only a horrific population boom, but also too many children to feed?
At what point are we going to realize that artificial wombs are only good for the mother who wants a child but cannot carry to term? It's not a good solution to stop abortion, it will cause too many issues.

Perhaps we should encourage use of contraceptives and reduce income inequality so that people can afford such measures?

That will be great, but ultimately useless on the contraceptive measure until we get people to elect for LARCs en masse. Short Term Birth Control, like the pill, the shot, and condoms, have higher failure rates and higher rates of fucking up than IUDs or the Birth Control Implant. At least half of all women who have abortions were using birth control, but mostly incorrectly.

[Napkiraly]

Seen it all before. It's still garbage.

so an alma mater who has studied philosophy,has a Bachelor of Arts,studied abroad,and has a Ph.D from harvard writes garbage ?

Yep.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

so an alma mater who has studied philosophy,has a Bachelor of Arts,studied abroad,and has a Ph.D from harvard writes garbage ?

Just because someone can philosophize and is a graduate from Harvard doesn't mean they don't write garbage at times.

[The Rich Port]

Seen it all before. It's still garbage.

so an alma mater who has studied philosophy,has a Bachelor of Arts,studied abroad,and has a Ph.D from harvard writes garbage ?

People who are succesful often get complacent and assume they can write garbage and people will treat it as revelation from God.

For example, the people who wrote The Bible and the Qur'an.

[Aelex]

People who are succesful often get complacent and assume they can write garbage and people will treat it as revelation from God.

For example, the people who wrote The Bible and the Qur'an.

I don't know for the second but I'm pretty sure that the first is a collaborative work who had took century to be finished.

[The Rich Port]

People who are succesful often get complacent and assume they can write garbage and people will treat it as revelation from God.

For example, the people who wrote The Bible and the Qur'an.

I don't know for the second but I'm pretty sure that the first is a collaborative work who had took century to be finished.

Exactly.

[The Alma Mater]

so an alma mater who has studied philosophy,has a Bachelor of Arts,studied abroad,and has a Ph.D from harvard writes garbage ?

"Garbage".

Sorry, I could not resist

[KirbyFluffle]

I am not prochoice.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I am not prochoice.

Why?

[KirbyFluffle]

I am not prochoice.

Why?

I believe that abortion is wrong.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why?

I believe that abortion is wrong.

For what reasons?

[Shazbotdom]

Why?

I believe that abortion is wrong.

Kinda need more reasons than "I think it's wrong", bro.

[The Rich Port]

Why?

I believe that abortion is wrong.

... You just repeated yourself.

You're not pro-choice = you're pro-life.

He asked WHY, not WHAT.

[The Alma Mater]

I believe that abortion is wrong.

... You just repeated yourself.

You're not pro-choice = you're pro-life.

Technically not true. Someone who is not pro-choice could also be pro-abortion; believing that abortions should be forced on women.

[The Rich Port]

... You just repeated yourself.

You're not pro-choice = you're pro-life.

Technically not true. Someone who is not pro-choice could also be pro-abortion; believing that abortions should be forced on women.

... That's a strange point to make...

[Shazbotdom]

Technically not true. Someone who is not pro-choice could also be pro-abortion; believing that abortions should be forced on women.

... That's a strange point to make...

AM's a strange individual.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Technically not true. Someone who is not pro-choice could also be pro-abortion; believing that abortions should be forced on women.

... That's a strange point to make...

There have been a couple pro-abortion types in this thread, mostly basing their stance on eugenics etc.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why?

I believe that abortion is wrong.

The two aren't actually exclusive.

I think abortion is a terrible, terrible thing - and I wish that we never had to ever have even one.

On the other hand, though - it's not for me to dictate that someone ELSE has to go through a pregnancy that they intensely don't want to go through - and I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated, than a child born unwanted and unloved.

It's entirely possible to be anti-abortion, and also pro-choice.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I believe that abortion is wrong.

The two aren't actually exclusive.

I think abortion is a terrible, terrible thing - and I wish that we never had to ever have even one.

On the other hand, though - it's not for me to dictate that someone ELSE has to go through a pregnancy that they intensely don't want to go through - and I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated, than a child born unwanted and unloved.

It's entirely possible to be anti-abortion, and also pro-choice.

*gasp*

No! You mean pro-choice advocates are not baby murderers?!