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Do you support an individual's right to have an abortion?

Yes, absolutely!
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Yes, but only in certain circumstances (please specify in a post)
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No, never!
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Total votes : 1938

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:01 pm

Dortmundia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Taxes aren't just "given" to people. Do you know how government expenditure works?

Plase tell me when I was asked to give permission that my money goes to Harlem?

Pretty much every year you remain in the country.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:01 pm

Dortmundia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Except for the part where that's fucking wrong.

It is not. You should read more comprehensive. Property and money is a result of my body just like a fetus is a result of a womans body.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:How so?.

By enforcing people to give their own resource to something else, that is the position of the pro-life crowd.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Actually, you are.

I am forced by Obamas regime to do it. Yet, you do not apply the same standard to a woman and fetus. You are hypocrite

Let me know when money becomes part of your body. Then I'll back you up in fighting against taxation.
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Postby Redsection » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:02 pm

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I'm sorry to point out I don't write like a professional on the web. You do not deserve my dedication. I will however send you a picture of me and the mayor and senator when i present to them.,and when this happens i will be glad to accept apologies.Now back to the topic.

You don't argue like a professional either. If we don't deserve your dedication, then get up and leave NationStates General. FOREVER. Because if you can't treat us like equals, then you have no reason to argue with us.


Is that a threat, I can see whoever i want as my equal and those who deserve my respect and dedication. You will see none of that from me.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:03 pm

Redsection wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:I never expected your "dedication." When did I say anything like that? I would just like you to show me something real without assuming you're going to talk to a mayor. And you can't just make a post about something to begin a tangent, and then expect to cut it off cleanly.


Oh i can and i will. Like i said youll have your proof mid school year,Now stop pestering me and lets get back onto topic.

Okay, still completely ignoring this
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:I would just like you to show me something real

and this
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Care to share some?

but if you're rhetoric involves ignoring what people say, you're doing it well.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:04 pm

Redsection wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:You don't argue like a professional either. If we don't deserve your dedication, then get up and leave NationStates General. FOREVER. Because if you can't treat us like equals, then you have no reason to argue with us.

Is that a threat, I can see whoever i want as my equal and those who deserve my respect and dedication. You will see none of that from me.

How is that a threat? How did I threaten you? Did I use the mods as a weapon? No! Did I say I'd find where you live and attack you? No! Did I say I'd hack into your bank accounts? No!
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:04 pm

Dortmundia wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Taxes aren't just "given" to people. Do you know how government expenditure works?

Plase tell me when I was asked to give permission that my money goes to Harlem?

Every time you give taxes to the government. Don't like that? Leave the country. Have luck finding a better place to be.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:05 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Redsection wrote:Is that a threat, I can see whoever i want as my equal and those who deserve my respect and dedication. You will see none of that from me.

How is that a threat? How did I threaten you? Did I use the mods as a weapon? No! Did I say I'd find where you live and attack you? No! Did I say I'd hack into your bank accounts? No!

You did sneak a horse head into his bed though.
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:05 pm

Redsection wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:You don't argue like a professional either. If we don't deserve your dedication, then get up and leave NationStates General. FOREVER. Because if you can't treat us like equals, then you have no reason to argue with us.


Is that a threat, I can see whoever i want as my equal and those who deserve my respect and dedication. You will see none of that from me.

Of course it wasn't a threat. Come on, dude. I, at least, have treated you with as much respect and decorum as I would any real conversational partner. I even explained radioactive decay when I could easily have just laughed in your face. It's not unreasonable for us to expect you to show a little respect for the discussion, if not for us, in return.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:05 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:How is that a threat? How did I threaten you? Did I use the mods as a weapon? No! Did I say I'd find where you live and attack you? No! Did I say I'd hack into your bank accounts? No!

You did sneak a horse head into his bed though.

:hug:
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:06 pm

The Cobalt Sky wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Low does not mean impossible, the purpose of condoms is to reduce it to a virtual impossibility.

How serious do you think I am?

Not
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:07 pm

So we have an ITG and someone using the thread as an excuse to vent about their racist dislike of minorities.

What a fantastic night this has been.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:07 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:You did sneak a horse head into his bed though.

:hug:

It's not really a threat per se. It's merely a demonstration of how you could've done something worse, but didn't.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:08 pm

Mavorpen wrote:So we have an ITG and someone using the thread as an excuse to vent about their racist dislike of minorities.

What a fantastic night this has been.

Refresh me, what's an ITG?
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Postby Redsection » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:08 pm

The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:
Redsection wrote:
Is that a threat, I can see whoever i want as my equal and those who deserve my respect and dedication. You will see none of that from me.

Of course it wasn't a threat. Come on, dude. I, at least, have treated you with as much respect and decorum as I would any real conversational partner. I even explained radioactive decay when I could easily have just laughed in your face. It's not unreasonable for us to expect you to show a little respect for the discussion, if not for us, in return.


alright then let us start anew and on a clean slate.I will respect you from now on as long as you can respect me and my views deal ?
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:09 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So we have an ITG and someone using the thread as an excuse to vent about their racist dislike of minorities.

What a fantastic night this has been.

Refresh me, what's an ITG?

Internet Tough Guy, apparently.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:09 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Of course it wasn't a threat. Come on, dude. I, at least, have treated you with as much respect and decorum as I would any real conversational partner. I even explained radioactive decay when I could easily have just laughed in your face. It's not unreasonable for us to expect you to show a little respect for the discussion, if not for us, in return.


alright then let us start anew and on a clean slate.I will respect you from now on as long as you can respect me and my views deal ?

If you and I can do the same, does that work for you?
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:10 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Of course it wasn't a threat. Come on, dude. I, at least, have treated you with as much respect and decorum as I would any real conversational partner. I even explained radioactive decay when I could easily have just laughed in your face. It's not unreasonable for us to expect you to show a little respect for the discussion, if not for us, in return.

alright then let us start anew and on a clean slate.I will respect you from now on as long as you can respect me and my views deal ?

No. You don't get to slam us with unreasoned and--by your own admission--half-assed arguments and then say we're the mean ones. We extended an olive branch long ago, and you tore it to shreds.

EDIT: Fine, one more chance.
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Postby The Floating Island of the Sleeping God » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:11 pm

Redsection wrote:
The Floating Island of the Sleeping God wrote:Of course it wasn't a threat. Come on, dude. I, at least, have treated you with as much respect and decorum as I would any real conversational partner. I even explained radioactive decay when I could easily have just laughed in your face. It's not unreasonable for us to expect you to show a little respect for the discussion, if not for us, in return.


alright then let us start anew and on a clean slate.I will respect you from now on as long as you can respect me and my views deal ?

I don't respect your views, in fact I am as contemptuous of them as you are of mine. However, I will treat you with respect and assume that you are arguing in good faith.
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Postby Godular » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:12 pm

Mavorpen wrote:So we have an ITG and someone using the thread as an excuse to vent about their racist dislike of minorities.

What a fantastic night this has been.


You should have seen the guy who's response to the point that consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy was 'Get a life, loser!'

Think that was... seven pages back?
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Postby Redsection » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:12 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Redsection wrote:
alright then let us start anew and on a clean slate.I will respect you from now on as long as you can respect me and my views deal ?

If you and I can do the same, does that work for you?


Deal I apologize to you and wallenburg and the floating Island. Now can you apologize to me about your claims on my writing and debate skills. This is afterall a game,something i do for fun.
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Postby Dortmundia » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:12 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, property and money are a result of the government protection and distribution of currency respectively.

You are worng. Property and money are natural parts of societies and predates modern government and states. Even in the times when he lived as tribes every member owned stuff and everybody was trading with each other.

I would also love to point you Hegels description and theory of modern day states. There are three parts: the spehre of government, the civil society (in which free man create their resources by market competition) and the spehre of family where private property is a holliness. The family and civil society predates to the government. You can have the two without government intervention


Uh, no. People have a right to their own bodies. People don't have the right to evade taxes.

Uh, yes. Taxes are nothing more than bills that we receive from government for its service. Since I do not want to pay to anybody welfare, it is not the serivce that I want.

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Postby Dortmundia » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:14 pm

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Dortmundia wrote:Plase tell me when I was asked to give permission that my money goes to Harlem?

Every time you give taxes to the government. Don't like that? Leave the country. Have luck finding a better place to be.

Well, yes ok and in that case abortion should also not be legalised. If a womans wants to perform it than let her go to Somalia.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:14 pm

Dortmundia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, property and money are a result of the government protection and distribution of currency respectively.

You are worng. Property and money are natural parts of societies and predates modern government and states. Even in the times when he lived as tribes every member owned stuff and everybody was trading with each other.

I would also love to point you Hegels description and theory of modern day states. There are three parts: the spehre of government, the civil society (in which free man create their resources by market competition) and the spehre of family where private property is a holliness. The family and civil society predates to the government. You can have the two without government intervention


Uh, no. People have a right to their own bodies. People don't have the right to evade taxes.

Uh, yes. Taxes are nothing more than bills that we receive from government for its service. Since I do not want to pay to anybody welfare, it is not the serivce that I want.

Well then move if you have a desire to leech off of the rest of us.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:15 pm

Redsection wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:If you and I can do the same, does that work for you?

Deal I apologize to you and wallenburg and the floating Island. Now can you apologize to me about your claims on my writing and debate skills. This is afterall a game,something i do for fun.

I do not apologize for calling out your arguments as half-assed. However, if you really do intend to debate well with us, then you will not only see an apology but a serious extension of my respect for you as a player and a nation.
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Postby Godular » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:15 pm

Dortmundia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, property and money are a result of the government protection and distribution of currency respectively.

You are worng. Property and money are natural parts of societies and predates modern government and states. Even in the times when he lived as tribes every member owned stuff and everybody was trading with each other.

I would also love to point you Hegels description and theory of modern day states. There are three parts: the spehre of government, the civil society (in which free man create their resources by market competition) and the spehre of family where private property is a holliness. The family and civil society predates to the government. You can have the two without government intervention


Uh, no. People have a right to their own bodies. People don't have the right to evade taxes.

Uh, yes. Taxes are nothing more than bills that we receive from government for its service. Since I do not want to pay to anybody welfare, it is not the serivce that I want.


So what I seem to be getting out of all this is that in order for everybody to be treated equally, we should treat them unequally.

Is anybody else getting that?
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