Life of a Commoner in an anarchist society

[Democratic Koyro]

On this specific issue, yes. You either support the abolition of the state or you don't..........so........

When you say statist it usually refers to a state controlled or operated economy, totalitarianism, or fascism all of which I directly oppose.

In this thread it seems Statist refers to those who enjoy the comforts and security of modern civilization and those who want to do away with it.

[The New Sea Territory]

Hahhaa, well first of all taxes aren't theft but you can go circle jerk that opinion out with the Ron Paul supporters in the US, second of all providing the base of success for the private sector goes to the entire population, allowing them the means to create their own businesses and having public institutions in which they can go to so they can learn how to do so and enroll in classes so they can learn how to do so more effectively.

First, if taxation isn't theft, all the Mexican cartels have to do is declare themselves a state, be recognized by the UN, and all their theft is legal. Taking property under the threat of force is theft. Whether it is justified or not is up to you.

This assumes that an anarchist society just magically can't keep those systems....or that a private sector should even exist.

Competing currencies are generally awful when used within a nation, the whole point of credit and money is trust, and without a uniform currency within a state their is no trust. None of this libertarian crap any hoot, states create currencies, without a state there is no currency. There is a difference between money and currency btw. Except we enforce that trust with assets that can be seized, and well yes, force. It works, and it benefits us all.

It's one theory out of a couple, and even still, currency doesn't have to exist.

As for riot police emotional argument, doesn't happen too much in New England I can tell ya that.

Oh no it wasn't emotional. I'll cite Ferguson as an example.

Except the US has a system of checks and balanced, composed up of congress, the executive branch, and the supreme court and it's worked out pretty damn well the past 200 years I can tell ya that much.

Except for every unconstitutional law on state books right now. One, for example, is in my home state. Atheists aren't allowed to run for public office. Also, what about all the illegal wars the US has taken part in? Or the legal system of bribery that exists now, where politicians are bought by corporations and don't listen to the people? Anyway, this whole bit of your argument is somewhat riddled with patriotism, making it not very logical. Not to mention the lack of evidence for your claim.

Hmm. decentralization not working, sounds just like the articles of confederation and post revolutionary America in general tbh, you've taken a history class before I presume, no need to glorify Alexander Hamilton more than he already is you can look up the post revolutionary economy on your own.

So, according to you, The Articles of Confederation don't work so everything must be centralized always...It's not that the Articles were poorly written or America was weak, but decentralized government is bad, m'kay.

Still, no evidence. You're criticisms are of an example of statism, not anarchism.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

When you say statist it usually refers to a state controlled or operated economy, totalitarianism, or fascism all of which I directly oppose.

In this thread it seems Statist refers to those who enjoy the comforts and security of modern civilization and those who want to do away with it.

Damn it, I thought you left the thread.

[The New Sea Territory]

On this specific issue, yes. You either support the abolition of the state or you don't..........so........

When you say statist it usually refers to a state controlled or operated economy, totalitarianism, or fascism all of which I directly oppose.

...which is a totally different meaning of the word. In the realm of this debate, it's statism (the belief in a state) versus anarchism (the abolition of a state).

[MERIZoC]

It's a lifestyle choice, like pacifism for me.

Well, primitivism as an ideology talks about destroying technology as a whole.
No-body stops anyone in an anarcho-communist society for example from going and living in a cave.

The point of primitivism isn't destroying technology. It's rejecting civilization.

[MERIZoC]

Well, perhaps if we go back to a population of 1 million...but how?
I wouldn't want to die in my 30s anyway.
Why is all tech bad?

It's a lifestyle choice, like pacifism for me.

Exactly.

[The New Sea Territory]

When you say statist it usually refers to a state controlled or operated economy, totalitarianism, or fascism all of which I directly oppose.

In this thread it seems Statist refers to those who enjoy the comforts and security of modern civilization and those who want to do away with it.

You just assume that anarchism can't be modern, without evidence or even knowledge of what anarchism is.

[Trygg]

Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Set some trash on fire.
Damn. That trash was your bed.
Cook up that tasty gravel sausage.
remember the days when you could go get your stomach pumped.
Scavenge for more trash.
You got shot. Damn.
Oh hey, maybe you can trade the bullet for something.
Remove the bullet, soak in polluted puddle to kill all that nasty bacteria.
Trade bullet for fresh trash.
Time for lunch. Mmm. Gravel sausage.
Fight off an eagle for your gravel sausage.
All that fighting made you thirsty. Go find a polluted puddle to drink from.
You got mugged for your trash. Damn.
Chance upon an old friend friend who used to pump your stomach back in the good ol' days.
Kill friend in fight over half of a shoe.
Loot said friend's body.
Trade body for more trash.
Drag trash several miles until you don't recognize the sound of each individual gun.
Name the new guns you hear.
It's getting dark out.
Prepare raw gravel sausage.
Oooh that tasted bad. Damn.
Undergo three hours of intense stomach cramps measuring 8.2 on the Richter Scale.
Pass out from blood loss from previous gunshot wound.
Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Repeat.

[The New Sea Territory]

Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.

Like all the states in Africa and the Middle East.

[Democratic Koyro]

Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Set some trash on fire.
Damn. That trash was your bed.
Cook up that tasty gravel sausage.
remember the days when you could go get your stomach pumped.
Scavenge for more trash.
You got shot. Damn.
Oh hey, maybe you can trade the bullet for something.
Remove the bullet, soak in polluted puddle to kill all that nasty bacteria.
Trade bullet for fresh trash.
Time for lunch. Mmm. Gravel sausage.
Fight off an eagle for your gravel sausage.
All that fighting made you thirsty. Go find a polluted puddle to drink from.
You got mugged for your trash. Damn.
Chance upon an old friend friend who used to pump your stomach back in the good ol' days.
Kill friend in fight over half of a shoe.
Loot said friend's body.
Trade body for more trash.
Drag trash several miles until you don't recognize the sound of each individual gun.
Name the new guns you hear.
It's getting dark out.
Prepare raw gravel sausage.
Oooh that tasted bad. Damn.
Undergo three hours of intense stomach cramps measuring 8.2 on the Richter Scale.
Pass out from blood loss from previous gunshot wound.
Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Repeat.

Another fine and accurate representation of life in an anarchist hellhole.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.

Like all the states in Africa and the Middle East.

This.

[The New Sea Territory]

Another fine and accurate representation of life in an anarchist hellhole.

You say that, but you have no idea what the word "anarchist" means, or how all those actions are done in statist societies today.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Set some trash on fire.
Damn. That trash was your bed.
Cook up that tasty gravel sausage.
remember the days when you could go get your stomach pumped.
Scavenge for more trash.
You got shot. Damn.
Oh hey, maybe you can trade the bullet for something.
Remove the bullet, soak in polluted puddle to kill all that nasty bacteria.
Trade bullet for fresh trash.
Time for lunch. Mmm. Gravel sausage.
Fight off an eagle for your gravel sausage.
All that fighting made you thirsty. Go find a polluted puddle to drink from.
You got mugged for your trash. Damn.
Chance upon an old friend friend who used to pump your stomach back in the good ol' days.
Kill friend in fight over half of a shoe.
Loot said friend's body.
Trade body for more trash.
Drag trash several miles until you don't recognize the sound of each individual gun.
Name the new guns you hear.
It's getting dark out.
Prepare raw gravel sausage.
Oooh that tasted bad. Damn.
Undergo three hours of intense stomach cramps measuring 8.2 on the Richter Scale.
Pass out from blood loss from previous gunshot wound.
Wake up to sound of automatic weapons fire.
Repeat.

Another fine and accurate representation of life in an anarchist hellhole.

You don't even know what the fuck anarchism is.

[Democratic Koyro]

Another fine and accurate representation of life in an anarchist hellhole.

You don't even know what the fuck anarchism is.

Maybe not, but i know what Anarchy is.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Could you give me an example? I'm not really able to picture what a decentralized, communal court would be.

Basically, a specific community, say a small neighborhood, elects in their general assembly to have Bob and Jill take care of arbitration. There's no system or link of courts across the region, just one for every community. They rule on different cases based on the idea that the aggressor is wrong, as the initiation of force is the only crime (of course, it can take many forms).

You might say "that's just like statism, not really anarchy". To which I reply, anarchism never claimed to want no law and absolute chaos.

The rest are bad ideas too.

Could you list the ideas and why they are wrong.

This is why a truly anarchist society is impossible. Somebody is always going to take power, even if it is just a biker gang.

You act as if anarchism is nothing more than pacifism, waiting to be taken over by Mad Max and the Lone Wanderer from Fallout, when that's not even close to the case. Anarchism has government. Direct democracy.

anarcho-capitalism is perhaps the only somewhat realistically attainable form of anarchism, and I think we can all agree how shitty it would be to live in an ancap society.

Yes, despite the fact that other societies that practiced anarchism have existed.

I'm not going to list them all because they all have the same problem: they're all weak and self-defeating in concept. An anarchist state is still a state, but without the things that they need to survive. Except maybe anarcho-capitalism, but that instead succumbs to the greed of its leaders.

So enforcing the law against violent individuals?

That would not be the initiation of force, but reaction to initiated force by the violent criminal.

*Tax is theft
It's basic government, man. A state requires a financial base to survive.

So, it needs to make it's money by coercing individuals.

* States are bad.
Bad states are bad. An anarchist state is a bad state.

Coercion is bad....and an anarchist "state" is an oxymoron.

* Muh decentralization
Doesn't work.

(Source)

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* Coercion
What is basic government.The people agree to abide by a government's laws, and the government protects them.

I just love that word," Coercion." It's so loaded.

* Oxymoron
It's a territory under a government. It is a state, and I'm not going to go by your bullshit definition.

* Source on decentralization.
Articles of confederation. Feudalism. Tribes throughout history.

[Securitan]

You don't even know what the fuck anarchism is.

Maybe not, but i know what Anarchy is.

It's the same thing.

[The New Sea Territory]

You don't even know what the fuck anarchism is.

Maybe not, but i know what Anarchy is.

Nope, you don't. You might know what anocracy is, or Somalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anocracy

[MERIZoC]

You don't even know what the fuck anarchism is.

Maybe not, but i know what Anarchy is.

[Ripoll]

Hahhaa, well first of all taxes aren't theft but you can go circle jerk that opinion out with the Ron Paul supporters in the US, second of all providing the base of success for the private sector goes to the entire population, allowing them the means to create their own businesses and having public institutions in which they can go to so they can learn how to do so and enroll in classes so they can learn how to do so more effectively.

First, if taxation isn't theft, all the Mexican cartels have to do is declare themselves a state, be recognized by the UN, and all their theft is legal. Taking property under the threat of force is theft. Whether it is justified or not is up to you.

This assumes that an anarchist society just magically can't keep those systems....or that a private sector should even exist.

Competing currencies are generally awful when used within a nation, the whole point of credit and money is trust, and without a uniform currency within a state their is no trust. None of this libertarian crap any hoot, states create currencies, without a state there is no currency. There is a difference between money and currency btw. Except we enforce that trust with assets that can be seized, and well yes, force. It works, and it benefits us all.

It's one theory out of a couple, and even still, currency doesn't have to exist.

As for riot police emotional argument, doesn't happen too much in New England I can tell ya that.

Oh no it wasn't emotional. I'll cite Ferguson as an example.

Except the US has a system of checks and balanced, composed up of congress, the executive branch, and the supreme court and it's worked out pretty damn well the past 200 years I can tell ya that much.

Except for every unconstitutional law on state books right now. One, for example, is in my home state. Atheists aren't allowed to run for public office. Also, what about all the illegal wars the US has taken part in? Or the legal system of bribery that exists now, where politicians are bought by corporations and don't listen to the people?

Hmm. decentralization not working, sounds just like the articles of confederation and post revolutionary America in general tbh, you've taken a history class before I presume, no need to glorify Alexander Hamilton more than he already is you can look up the post revolutionary economy on your own.

So, according to you, The Articles of Confederation don't work so everything must be centralized always...It's not that the Articles were poorly written or America was weak, but decentralized government is bad, m'kay.

Still, no evidence. You're criticisms are of an example of statism, not anarchism.

Some things are clearly unconstituional, like the example you cited in your home state others are not.

First of all none of the wars were illegal, and politicians don't ignore the people because frankly they like keeping their office and excessive corporate lobbying is an issue and there should be limits however ultimately ever decision Washington makes effects the economic environment so to deny them any say is also unacceptable.

Actually no, the articles of confederation didn't allow the Government to levy taxes, organize an army, require debt repayments, allow us the ability to establish a uniform currency, allowed states to place tariffs on each other, establish a national bank etc. All of that changed with the constitution and our nation recovered extremely quickly when Hamilton was in charge of the treasury department and the National Government was sovereign over the states.

Without any of this, the colonists would have worthless currency, confusing foreign policy stances, and effectively a weak and disorderly economy.

"Taxation is theft"

Yes yes, you've thrown that melodramatic hyperbole around quite a lot.

It is not theft if you receive something in return, that is housing, public services, affordable healthcare, sanitary regulation, roads, education, and all this other exciting stuff!

The cartel....well the cartel doesn't do that.

So think of taxation like paying rent, which would inevitably be forced to take hold in a anarchistic society anyway right? And currencies can't just not exist, taht's ridiculous maybe you should read an introductory economics book or two.

[Geilinor]

Hahhaa, well first of all taxes aren't theft but you can go circle jerk that opinion out with the Ron Paul supporters in the US, second of all providing the base of success for the private sector goes to the entire population, allowing them the means to create their own businesses and having public institutions in which they can go to so they can learn how to do so and enroll in classes so they can learn how to do so more effectively.

First, if taxation isn't theft, all the Mexican cartels have to do is declare themselves a state, be recognized by the UN, and all their theft is legal. Taking property under the threat of force is theft. Whether it is justified or not is up to you.

That's not true. The Islamic State has declared itself a state and no country recognizes them.

[The New Sea Territory]

* Coercion
What is basic government.The people agree to abide by a government's laws, and the government protects them.

I just love that word," Coercion." It's so loaded.

No, it isn't. It's defined by voluntaryists as "a violation of one's rights through violence".

* Oxymoron
It's a territory under a government. It is a state, and I'm not going to go by your bullshit definition.

Right, so we go by your bullshit redefinition.

* Source on decentralization.
Articles of confederation. Feudalism. Tribes throughout history.

Statism, Statism and a slew of varying degrees of statism or coercion-based societies that predate the state. Nothing criticizes anarchism in those examples.

[MERIZoC]

First, if taxation isn't theft, all the Mexican cartels have to do is declare themselves a state, be recognized by the UN, and all their theft is legal. Taking property under the threat of force is theft. Whether it is justified or not is up to you.

That's not true. The Islamic State has declared itself a state and no country recognizes them.

be recognized by the UN

[The New Sea Territory]

First, if taxation isn't theft, all the Mexican cartels have to do is declare themselves a state, be recognized by the UN, and all their theft is legal. Taking property under the threat of force is theft. Whether it is justified or not is up to you.

That's not true. The Islamic State has declared itself a state and no country recognizes them.

[Geilinor]

That's not true. The Islamic State has declared itself a state and no country recognizes them.

Theft is the crime of taking another's property by force. Taxation is essentially a membership fee and subscription for services.

[MERIZoC]

Theft is the crime of taking another's property by force. Taxation is essentially a membership fee and subscription for services.

Except you're forced into membership.