Life of a Commoner in an anarchist society

[Solaray]

and poses a danger to all

what if i don't want your so called voluntary and free anarchist society and I want to keep my state?

Then you can leave. It's not like were forcing you here.

Maybe not, but overthrowing the states we live in is nearly as bad. We have no choice but to leave our homes.

[Ziegenhain]

and poses a danger to all

what if i don't want your so called voluntary and free anarchist society and I want to keep my state?

First, it's not your state. Secondly, a state initiates violence, so it's existence is aggressive and it must be dismantled. Third, an anarchist society is not a "so-called" free society, it is one. That's what freedom is, and if you don't like it, well....you don't seem to like freedom. The ability to do anything so long as it doesn't restrict another individual is the absolute state of freedom, or a voluntary society.

I've nver experienced this violence you anarchists keep talking about. Where is it? I do like freedom, but I don't see why you have to destroy everything that's helped to keep society from blowing itself up

[The New Sea Territory]

I know what Anarchy and Anarchism are

No you clearly don't.

but i don't care to learn what anarchist theory is. Sounds like attempts to justify the most reprehensible beliefs.

Anarchy=Anarchism=Anarchist Theory.....they are the same fucking words. An anarchist theory simply refers to a type of anarchism. For example, anarchist communism, or mutualism, or Bakuninist collectivism.

[Ziegenhain]

Then you can leave. It's not like were forcing you here.

That too. You can leave the voluntary zone.

So i should be basically forced to leave my friends, family, fiance all because you want your wetdream anarchistopia?

Sounds very voluntary to me.

[New Unsociety]

Again, the same thing that stops people in republics from voting in dictators (belief in the system) will stop them from joining would-be dictators and dismantling the anarchist system.

"Indoctrination" won't be necessary- the people will live in the system their whole lives, and so they will accept it. Even if there are other systems around, as people value freedom greatly by nature, the vast majority (enough to stop would-be tyrants) would realise its superiority.

[Democratic Koyro]

I know what Anarchy and Anarchism are

No you clearly don't.

but i don't care to learn what anarchist theory is. Sounds like attempts to justify the most reprehensible beliefs.

Anarchy=Anarchism=Anarchist Theory.....they are the same fucking words. An anarchist theory simply refers to a type of anarchism. For example, anarchist communism, or mutualism, or Bakuninist collectivism.

I don't care about your propaganda theories at all. I care about the reality, and the reality is this:

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.

this is anarchy in a nutshell.

No, it isn't:

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town.

Assumptions.

You have no means real currency,

Assuming we aren't talking about ancapism or agorism.

no accountability,

Hahahahaha.

no safety net,

If we're talking about social anarchism, things are distributed according to need.

no opportunity,

.....more assumptions based on no evidence.

no real incentive to advance or learn.

Are you saying people don't have any aspects of self-interest at all just because the state is gone...?

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

Vague, meaningless talk.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.

Good thing an anarchist society has leaders (the people themselves) and laws.

[Ziegenhain]

Again, the same thing that stops people in republics from voting in dictators (belief in the system) will stop them from joining would-be dictators and dismantling the anarchist system.

"Indoctrination" won't be necessary- the people will live in the system their whole lives, and so they will accept it. Even if there are other systems around, as people value freedom greatly by nature, the vast majority (enough to stop would-be tyrants) would realise its superiority.

Lose belief in the system so then they vote in the dictator

wow never thought of that

why do I have to believe in the system and accept if it I friggin live in it my life? makes no sense why i should have to do that

[The New Sea Territory]

I've nver experienced this violence you anarchists keep talking about.

The state is, by definition, a monopoly on violence. You don't "experience" it. I guess you could, but not everyone lives in the midst of civil strife.

Where is it?

Check your nation's capital.

I do like freedom, but I don't see why you have to destroy everything that's helped to keep society from blowing itself up

States blow things up too. In fact, the first nuclear weapons were made by states.

[New Unsociety]

1)Yes, but never did the smaller force initiate force. It was always desperate defence, slavery or death if they lost. Why should anyone living in equality and no slavery attempt a most likely suicidal act for greed?

"Oh and I like how we're indoctrinating children to think a certain way. That's always free and democratic right? Let's not let them think for themselves at all"
Because today's system is better, being taught that "democracy" (actually republic and crapitalism) is the best system!

"Today's republics don't need to rely entirely on the people. Just enough for them to vote for them in and then the politicians do what they want."
But what if the people vote a dictator that then abolishes democracy? (not falling for Poe's Law here either)

1) Fall Gelb. Wehrmacht was numerically outnumbered by the western forces, but were able to defeat them due to a better strategy

2)I and many others weren't taught that democracy is the best. I don't know what dream world you live it.

3)THen the people vote in a dictator.

1)Numerically outnumbered as in five to one? Think about how many become anarchists while living in an authoritarian system (until it enters a world crisis like now), turn it around, add in the greater appeal of freedom, and the odds of the would-be-tyrants will be more like 200 to one.

2)Would you go and vote for Kim Jong Un or Assad? If not, why not?

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

I'm not going to waste my time with 'anarchist theories' - all of which are bullshit, so i'm not going to read propaganda.

So rather than believing that anarchism is wrong because you find problems with anarchist arguments, you refuse to read anarchist arguments because we're wrong a priori. What flawless reasoning.

This. Democratic Koyro is making less sense than a fucking religious fundamentalist.

[The New Sea Territory]

No you clearly don't.



Anarchy=Anarchism=Anarchist Theory.....they are the same fucking words. An anarchist theory simply refers to a type of anarchism. For example, anarchist communism, or mutualism, or Bakuninist collectivism.

I don't care about your propaganda theories at all. I care about the reality, and the reality is this:

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.

You're quoting the guy who knows nothing about every ideology he bashes on every thread he starts....

Secondly, really, it's not "propaganda". Even if you disagree with the claims of anarchists, knowing what they are actually puts you in a position to know what that world "reality" you keep using is.

[Democratic Koyro]

1) Fall Gelb. Wehrmacht was numerically outnumbered by the western forces, but were able to defeat them due to a better strategy

2)I and many others weren't taught that democracy is the best. I don't know what dream world you live it.

3)THen the people vote in a dictator.

1)Numerically outnumbered as in five to one? Think about how many become anarchists while living in an authoritarian system (until it enters a world crisis like now), turn it around, add in the greater appeal of freedom, and the odds of the would-be-tyrants will be more like 200 to one.

2)Would you go and vote for Kim Jong Un or Assad? If not, why not?

2) Yep.

[Ziegenhain]

1) Fall Gelb. Wehrmacht was numerically outnumbered by the western forces, but were able to defeat them due to a better strategy

2)I and many others weren't taught that democracy is the best. I don't know what dream world you live it.

3)THen the people vote in a dictator.

1)Numerically outnumbered as in five to one? Think about how many become anarchists while living in an authoritarian system (until it enters a world crisis like now), turn it around, add in the greater appeal of freedom, and the odds of the would-be-tyrants will be more like 200 to one.

2)Would you go and vote for Kim Jong Un or Assad? If not, why not?

Probably not a lot of anarchists as they'd be arrested for disturbing the peace and good order of the society. A good thing I say.

Probably not them, I'd have voted for Mussolini or Napoleon. Maybe a Putin of sorts.

[Second Blazing]

And exactly why should the train engineer and the cook work for free? Because they're slaves I guess?

Because the car mechanic and the teacher also work for free.

What about people who's job involve things that nobody wants to do. Like pulling used shit covered tampons out of pipes.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

No you clearly don't.



Anarchy=Anarchism=Anarchist Theory.....they are the same fucking words. An anarchist theory simply refers to a type of anarchism. For example, anarchist communism, or mutualism, or Bakuninist collectivism.

I don't care about your propaganda theories at all. I care about the reality, and the reality is this:

You keep your head low in your backwards, poverty stricken, under educated part of town. You have no means real currency, no accountability, no safety net, no opportunity, no real incentive to advance or learn.

Just day to day, week by week, no time to care about the future.

A society without leadership or laws isn't a society at all.

If you're gonna keep using that post, that NST already analyzed and debunked, and keeping calling our theories "popugada," Then get the fuck out. If you want to be stupid, Fine, but be stupid somewhere else.

[Sociobiology]

I've nver experienced this violence you anarchists keep talking about.

The state is, by definition, a monopoly on violence. You don't "experience" it. I guess you could, but not everyone lives in the midst of civil strife.

the problem with that definition is applies to all societies.

I do like freedom, but I don't see why you have to destroy everything that's helped to keep society from blowing itself up

States blow things up too. In fact, the first nuclear weapons were made by states.

well yeah just like all high technology, it can only be produced by a state.

[New Unsociety]

1)Numerically outnumbered as in five to one? Think about how many become anarchists while living in an authoritarian system (until it enters a world crisis like now), turn it around, add in the greater appeal of freedom, and the odds of the would-be-tyrants will be more like 200 to one.

2)Would you go and vote for Kim Jong Un or Assad? If not, why not?

2) Yep.

2)Unless you are one of Kim's clique with Internet access, you are one of the very few in the West that are against democracy. Your kind will also be very few in an anarchist society, few enough to be dealt with, by lethal force if needed.

[The New Sea Territory]

It seems like an anarchist society would simply be controlled by whoever had the most power. Gangs of armed thugs, probably, taking what they wish from the people.

Actually, that's statism. See every coup strongman or fascist government.

[Democratic Koyro]

I don't care about your propaganda theories at all. I care about the reality, and the reality is this:

If you're gonna keep using that post, that NST already analyzed and debunked, and keeping calling our theories "popugada," Then get the fuck out. If you want to be stupid, Fine, but be stupid somewhere else.

Nothing was debunked as far as i'm concerned. I have seen no evidence that Anarchy would be anything other than hell on earth.

[The New Sea Territory]

the problem with that definition is applies to all societies.

well yeah just like all high technology, it can only be produced by a state.

Except when it doesn't, sure.

Why? Initiated Violence is necessary for any technological development? Need is the mother of invention, not murder.

[Democratic Koyro]

2) Yep.

2)Unless you are one of Kim's clique with Internet access, you are one of the very few in the West that are against democracy. Your kind will also be very few in an anarchist society, few enough to be dealt with, by lethal force if needed.

Mass killings against those who oppose you? Cool. Anarchy = Totalitarian style political killings. Another one to add to the list.

the 2 was referring to Al-Assad. Although if Kimmy J Junior was the only alternative to Anarchist Murderers then i'd quite happily choose him. That or refuse to vote like i do now.

[New Unsociety]

1)Numerically outnumbered as in five to one? Think about how many become anarchists while living in an authoritarian system (until it enters a world crisis like now), turn it around, add in the greater appeal of freedom, and the odds of the would-be-tyrants will be more like 200 to one.

2)Would you go and vote for Kim Jong Un or Assad? If not, why not?

Probably not a lot of anarchists as they'd be arrested for disturbing the peace and good order of the society. A good thing I say.

Probably not them, I'd have voted for Mussolini or Napoleon. Maybe a Putin of sorts.

"Probably not a lot of anarchists as they'd be arrested for disturbing the peace and good order of the society. "

Well, guess what, the majority in an anarchist society will know they risk being dealt with if they try becoming oppressors. The difference is that today people have a reason to overthrow the system, as they are slaves, becoming evident with this current capitalist crisis. In anarchism, what would be the reason? Greed? Freedom is enough to risk one's life for, greed? Not for the most.

[Ziegenhain]

2) Yep.

2)Unless you are one of Kim's clique with Internet access, you are one of the very few in the West that are against democracy. Your kind will also be very few in an anarchist society, few enough to be dealt with, by lethal force if needed.

There's quite a good many in the west that don't like democracy. Don't know where this thinking that being a Westerner means you like democracy came from.

Also, thanks for the weird future death threat I suppose. I like knowing I'll be a suspected criminal because of my viewpoints.

Stalin called by the way. Wanted to congratulate you on your ideological purging.

[Securitan]

2) Yep.

2)Unless you are one of Kim's clique with Internet access, you are one of the very few in the West that are against democracy. Your kind will also be very few in an anarchist society, few enough to be dealt with, by lethal force if needed.

Holy shit you are advocating murder for people with different political beliefs.