Life of a Commoner in an anarchist society

[Skeckoa]

How do you believe the state came to be the rightful owner of all the land?

By claiming it and holding it, I suppose.

Well, here. How does someone claim ownership? I say it is homesteading and trade (but that is for another thread).

The state claimed it, brought armies, and forced the people on that land into subjugation. Any argument saying that the state legit owns all the land will boil down to a "Might makes right" kind of argument.

We've already established taxes are not theft, Eminent Domain isn't theft because you get immediate compensation, conscription only occurs when vital to the security of a state which typically was only common practice in the world wars.

no, we have deffy not established that taxes are not theft.

[Ripoll]

Huh...sounds like citizenship.....

Yeah, so? There can't be citizenship under anarchism?

There can't be, but it sure as hell acts the same way. Which brings me to my final point, why the hell would you want to revert all the porgress humanity has made to establish a similar but crappier system? Need I not remind you we are at the most peaceful point in World History since Humans have been a thing? The most economically prosperous? It's no coincidence our population is soaring when a few centuries ago it was stagnant for centuries at a time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbuUW9i-mHs

[Genivaria]

Anarchists: How would your anarchy be any different from Somalia? People are making and enforcing their own laws. Now, these laws usually involve beheadings, but isn't no state what you want?

Somalia is a failed state.

Somalia has a democratic government now actually and are dealing with their insurgents.

[Havenburgh]

What about intentional communities? Or municipalities? Or directly-democratic confederations?

directly-democratic confederations are still states - no matter how loose

Im fine with direct democracy. I rp with a direct democracy.

[Conserative Morality]

Well, here. How does someone claim ownership? I say it is homesteading and trade (but that is for another thread).

The state claimed it, brought armies, and forced the people on that land into subjugation. Any argument saying that the state legit owns all the land will boil down to a "Might makes right" kind of argument.

Well, force is the sole preserve of the masses.

[Democratic Koyro]

The State cannot commit an act of Terrorism.

This is essentially saying, "I have no idea what the fuck state-terrorism is." Jesus fucking christ.

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

* Saying the US Army is as bad as terrorists.

I hope you grow out it before long.

Not really scary, it's just realpolitik.

"Fuck human rights, I'm Henry Kissinger!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
a reminder that the U.S. government is in-fact more destructive than so-called "terrorists"

[Lockean Georgeville]

What about intentional communities? Or municipalities? Or directly-democratic confederations?

directly-democratic confederations are still states - no matter how loose

No... A directly-democratic government is established and controlled voluntarily. A State is a government that uses force.

[Anarkhist Kyrylashka]

Just because you want something to be, does not make it so.

You should take your advice.

Anarchism won't work.

Aren't you a communist of some sort? or anarchist? I mean, you are in the AAA.

[Estva]

1)Education and the right spirit is key to an anarchist society. Also, with economic equality and lack of greed caused by economic clout, what would be the reason for bloody wars?
Today and in the past, the rulers sent people to die while reaping the benefits. If it is the people themselves that would risk dying for what, a few more while they already have what they need, why fight?

You know "Educating" people about the horrors of war may very well do nothing right? People can want what others have no matter how much they have been educated, and when you will die otherwise even being educated doesn't stop violence.

2)With today's technology no. Also see confederation, there will be delegates.

With today's technology yes. Getting mandated consensus on everything would nigh impossible, not to mention the security issues with the technology. As for the delegates, that's pretty extremely far from direct democracy.

3)See the militia part. Also, we're talking about a situation after a world shift, when every country will be anarchist, about let's say the "endgame".

"World shift" you have to explain how to get their in the first place. This utopia is ridiculous if you cannot explain how one can reach it, otherwise it is just fantastical lunacy.

4)Communes and confederations would trade with each other. Also, yes, i mean that the criterion will not be profit but utility. I'm not against food tech per se.

Except you can't trade over long distances. Where would you get salt if the nearest salt mine is hundreds of miles away? To transport the salt to the local commune, it would past a thousand different communes, with a thousand different taxes and regulations, some of which may just not let you pass at all.

5)Well, there are enough wackos to do things like in anarchist Catalonia.

Yes and their wacko actions helped end the Republic.

[Lockean Georgeville]

This is essentially saying, "I have no idea what the fuck state-terrorism is." Jesus fucking christ.

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

[Estva]

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

Why is it illegitimate?

[Democratic Koyro]

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

Whatever. Even if you think it's illegitimate as you said it has a monopoly on force. So you can't do anything about it. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

[Albul]

You should take your advice.

Anarchism won't work.

Aren't you a communist of some sort? or anarchist? I mean, you are in the AAA.

The flag mocks communist ideals... what makes you think he is a communist, ffs?

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

directly-democratic confederations are still states - no matter how loose

No... A directly-democratic government is established and controlled voluntarily. A State is a government that uses force.

And? Do the individual soldiers that help establish a state not voluntarily help establish it? Historical direct democracies such as Athens are still states.

[Ainin]

Is it like a bunch of badly-shaved men with antique pistols travelling the Seven Interstates on an 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser pillaging and plundering truck drivers of their cargo?

Sounds like anarchy.

Nah.

The Interstates would probably have long-fallen into a state of utter disrepair if it was anarchy.

[Genivaria]

Now, as someone who doesn't support violent revolution, I'll say this: Fighting back against a state that's oppressing you is no different than fighting back against a mugger. You didn't initiate violence.

What do you consider "oppression"?

Citizen of what exactly?

[Albul]

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

Whatever. Even if you think it's illegitimate as you said it has a monopoly on force. So you can't do anything about it. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

No, you get the help from another state and start a revolution... unless that state is the US.

[Camelza]

Of course, anarchist societies demand a high level of political maturity by the populace in order to exist.

Oh, tell me which specific society exhibits a high level of political maturity, I want to know.

A well-educated one and by education I mean social education.
Being a pragmatist, despite I ideologically have libertarian socialist ideals, I compromise with the best possible model at the moment which is social liberalism and progressivism, hoping that one day the majority of the people will be mature enough to abolish state, as they did religion in our days.

[Democratic Koyro]

Whatever. Even if you think it's illegitimate as you said it has a monopoly on force. So you can't do anything about it. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

No, you get the help from another state and start a revolution... unless that state is the US.

LOL!

The only way to have your anarchist hellhole is to beg one State to destroy another.

[MERIZoC]

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

No, the state, by definition, has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. Unless that's not what you meant?

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Ah well. I've got to go. Been good talking to you all.

[Lockean Georgeville]

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

Why is it illegitimate?

What does it derive it's authority from? Nothing. Now keep in mind, a government CAN have a legitimate, voluntary monopoly on violence. But the State cannot.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

Whatever. Even if you think it's illegitimate as you said it has a monopoly on force. So you can't do anything about it. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

"You're just gonna have to deal with it"

Statism at it's finest.

[Skeckoa]

Nah. The Interstates would probably have long-fallen into a state of utter disrepair if it was anarchy.

I see that you have not driven through Alameda County, California then.

[Genivaria]

The State cannot commit an act of terrorism. The State cannot commit a crime. Individuals within the State can.

So-called State terrorism is where the State sponsors terrorism. it does not actually commit it. There is no such thing as State Terrorism.

The State has an illegitimate monopoly on violence.

How is it illegitimate?

[Albul]

No, you get the help from another state and start a revolution... unless that state is the US.

LOL!

The only way to have your anarchist hellhole is to beg one State to destroy another.

I don't support anarchy.