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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:40 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Not magically. Unless you honestly believe the U.S. Army is as terrible as Al-Qaida.

So anarchism will never actually be a worldwide or even national thing.


Considering the US Army has supported more brutal regimes and killed more people, yes. Ideologically, no, historically, yes. Shocker, I know.

I was simply carrying on with his use of the word "push". There are theories for the implementation and practice of anarchism. Such as syndicalism, agorism or, though I don't advocate it, violent revolution.

* Saying the US Army is as bad as terrorists.

I hope you grow out it before long.
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Geilinor wrote:Most statists don't support violence against innocent people.


Knowingly. Though, this might be scary for some American statists.

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Postby The Slavians » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

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The Slavians wrote:But the State has no right to commit acts of terrorism against you.


The State cannot commit an act of Terrorism.

Though based on certain States, like Gaddafi's Libya, it can certainly sponsor them.

Look up a word, it is called state terrorism.

Though, seeing what you are, I doubt it would have any impact upon you.

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Postby Anarkhist Kyrylashka » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Somalia and Russia do not have the same form of government.


That's because this Anocracy thing is pure bullshit thought up by intellectuals with nothing better to do with their time. It thinks Anarchist Somalia and a Totalitarian Military Dictatorship like Myanmar are the same thing.

Just because you want something to be, does not make it so.
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Postby Lockean Georgeville » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

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Camelza wrote:Like in real life anarchist societies, if someone disagrees, he/she just leaves, or is forced to leave since he/she poses a thrat to the continuation of the community. It's a love-it-or-leave-it case.


Huh...sounds like citizenship.....

Yeah, so? There can't be citizenship under anarchism?
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Postby Solaray » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Many anarchists support violent revolution. A violent overthrow will involve threatening or killing people who oppose you.

Now, as someone who doesn't support violent revolution, I'll say this: Fighting back against a state that's oppressing you is no different than fighting back against a mugger. You didn't initiate violence.

What do you consider "oppression"?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

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Merizoc wrote:Terrorism is a buzzword with no real meaning.

What? Would you prefer the term Freedom Fighter?

You know Terrorism is the use of violence and intimidation for political purposes. All of this terrorism stuff is political violence meant to cause terror.

…An act of freedom fighter? Doesn't quite sound right.

Again, terrorism is a buzzword used to discredit people who may or may not have legitimate grievances.
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:41 pm

Ripoll wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Knowingly. Though, this might be scary for some American statists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_au ... ted_States


Ever heard of a power vacuum?

...that's what the US,a alongside every other civilized nation, is trying to prevent.

Also there is a difference between support for the regime, and decent diplomatic relations for economic reasons. We're helping their citizens if anything. Unless you propose embargoes against every damn nation that violates the rights of their citizens thus turning our backs on those citizens. Then anarchists and libertarians turn around back on the US for humanitarian intervention well it's one or the other your pick.

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Postby The Slavians » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:42 pm

Anarkhist Kyrylashka wrote:
Democratic Koyro wrote:
That's because this Anocracy thing is pure bullshit thought up by intellectuals with nothing better to do with their time. It thinks Anarchist Somalia and a Totalitarian Military Dictatorship like Myanmar are the same thing.

Just because you want something to be, does not make it so.

You should take your advice. ;)

Anarchism won't work.

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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:43 pm

Camelza wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Potentially this is why there has never been a long-lived anarchy

Of course, anarchist societies demand a high level of political maturity by the populace in order to exist.

Oh, tell me which specific society exhibits a high level of political maturity, I want to know.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:44 pm

Lockean Georgeville wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
Huh...sounds like citizenship.....

Yeah, so? There can't be citizenship under anarchism?


No. There is no State of which one can be a citizen.
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:44 pm

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Democratic Koyro wrote:The State cannot steal. And no, criminals have no right to defend themselves against the State.
Eminent Domain? Highway pirating? Corruption? Taxation? Conscription?


We've already established taxes are not theft, Eminent Domain isn't theft because you get immediate compensation, conscription only occurs when vital to the security of a state which typically was only common practice in the world wars.
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Postby Solaray » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:44 pm

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Solaray wrote:I do think the state ultimately has ownership of the land, yes. Lucky for us, many states grant property rights to the citizens.
How do you believe the state came to be the rightful owner of all the land?

By claiming it and holding it, I suppose.
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Postby Albul » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:44 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Lockean Georgeville wrote:Yeah, so? There can't be citizenship under anarchism?


No. There is no State of which one can be a citizen.

Well, in that matter, there won't be any need for citizenship.
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:45 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: Eminent Domain? Highway pirating? Corruption? Taxation? Conscription?


We've already established taxes are not theft, Eminent Domain isn't theft because you get immediate compensation, conscription only occurs when vital to the security of a state which typically was only common practice in the world wars.

Depends - taxation without representation can be considered theft.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:45 pm

Albul wrote:
Democratic Koyro wrote:
No. There is no State of which one can be a citizen.

Well, in that matter, there won't be any need for citizenship.


Not for 99% of the population who have starved to death or died of disease due to the total destruction of modern civilization, no.
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Postby Ripoll » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:45 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Ripoll wrote:
Ever heard of a power vacuum?

...that's what the US,a alongside every other civilized nation, is trying to prevent.

Also there is a difference between support for the regime, and decent diplomatic relations for economic reasons. We're helping their citizens if anything. Unless you propose embargoes against every damn nation that violates the rights of their citizens thus turning our backs on those citizens. Then anarchists and libertarians turn around back on the US for humanitarian intervention well it's one or the other your pick.

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Well for one it's really not that simple, but I'm not going to get off topic because your opinion will probably not change.
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Postby Lockean Georgeville » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:46 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Lockean Georgeville wrote:Yeah, so? There can't be citizenship under anarchism?


No. There is no State of which one can be a citizen.

What about intentional communities? Or municipalities? Or directly-democratic confederations?
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Postby Anarkhist Kyrylashka » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:46 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:
The Slavians wrote:But the State has no right to commit acts of terrorism against you.


The State cannot commit an act of Terrorism.

This is essentially saying, "I have no idea what the fuck state-terrorism is." Jesus fucking christ.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:46 pm

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Democratic Koyro wrote:The State cannot steal. And no, criminals have no right to defend themselves against the State.
Eminent Domain? Highway pirating? Corruption? Taxation? Conscription?

What on Earth is highway pirating?

Is it like a bunch of badly-shaved men with antique pistols travelling the Seven Interstates on an 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser pillaging and plundering truck drivers of their cargo?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:47 pm

Ripoll wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: Eminent Domain? Highway pirating? Corruption? Taxation? Conscription?


We've already established taxes are not theft, Eminent Domain isn't theft because you get immediate compensation, conscription only occurs when vital to the security of a state which typically was only common practice in the world wars.

I know you're not forgetting, but I'll say that Eminent Domain is often abused, before anyone points it out. That falls under corruption, however.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:47 pm

Ainin wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: Eminent Domain? Highway pirating? Corruption? Taxation? Conscription?


Is it like a bunch of badly-shaved men with antique pistols travelling the Seven Interstates on an 1971 Toyota Land Cruiser pillaging and plundering truck drivers of their cargo?

Sounds like anarchy.
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Postby Albul » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:47 pm

Democratic Koyro wrote:
Albul wrote:Well, in that matter, there won't be any need for citizenship.


Not for 99% of the population who have starved to death or died of disease due to the total destruction of modern civilization, no.

You can still have a civilization under an anarchist system, you know.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:48 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Considering the US Army has supported more brutal regimes and killed more people, yes. Ideologically, no, historically, yes. Shocker, I know.

I was simply carrying on with his use of the word "push". There are theories for the implementation and practice of anarchism. Such as syndicalism, agorism or, though I don't advocate it, violent revolution.

* Saying the US Army is as bad as terrorists.

I hope you grow out it before long.
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Knowingly. Though, this might be scary for some American statists.

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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:48 pm

Lockean Georgeville wrote:
Democratic Koyro wrote:
No. There is no State of which one can be a citizen.

What about intentional communities? Or municipalities? Or directly-democratic confederations?

directly-democratic confederations are still states - no matter how loose
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